sex pests ... - Page 4

chav1 · 03-03-2005, 15:20

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Originally Posted by garinda

Bit strange to say 'sex pest' in thread title, belittles a very sereious issue.

not realy i dont see anyone making light heart or jokes about it i could just have easily put nonces , pedos and many other names used to describe these scum

i used sex pest because its what i call them nothing more nothing less

i dont think the thread title is a bad one as it obviously attracted much attention and many serious points have been put across and a good mannered debate has taken place

vorlon24 · 03-03-2005, 16:17

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Originally Posted by garinda

Child abuse doesn't always include semen, lots of abuse could still yeild no DNA, therefore innocent people will be found guilty as well as the guilty.

But that always happens in society.

If capital punishment was still carried out in this country, there would be a lot less crime; wouldn't the potential loss of a favourite body part deter you from doing something?

Prison doesn't seem to be much of a deterrent; maybe more drastic measures are needed

Tinkerbelle · 03-03-2005, 16:28

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Originally Posted by garinda

Child abuse doesn't always include semen, lots of abuse could still yeild no DNA, therefore innocent people will be found guilty as well as the guilty.

In my humble opinion child abuse affects all families at one point or another and too different degrees. Innocent people being found guilty? More guilty people 'get away' with this crime on a technicality than innocent people being found guilty, shouldn't that be our main concern!

luke orourke 1988 · 03-03-2005, 16:31

that is very true god point.

Acrylic-bob · 03-03-2005, 16:31

Wouldn't castration cause further problems though. Think of the resentment the castratee would feel towards the cause of his predicament. I think you would end up with many more murdered children than is now the case.

vorlon24 · 03-03-2005, 16:34

But the cause of his predicament is his own making.

If he had left the kid alone in the first place it wouldn't have happened

Tinkerbelle · 03-03-2005, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

I can fully appreciate that parents may be anxious about the safety of their children, especially when one considers what might happen, but the remedy for such fears is simple; take greater care of them! Know were they are and who they are with - at all times! Give up some of your precious time and effort to monitor who they are communicating with.

Peado's are predators so it doesn't matter if you know were they are and who they are speaking with every second of their waking day, if a peado wants to get at your child the chances are they probably will will

In family situations they make themselves a trusted friend of the family and has Slinky has stated our family was affected by this type of 'friend' and believe me they are very convincing.

A parent can never be excused for for this crime against their child,.

Yes people should be named as this is the only way parents can be aware of who is around their children.

Acrylic-bob · 03-03-2005, 16:43

But people don't think like that, do they. If you knew the likely consequence would be castration or hanging if you were caught wouldn't you be more likley to top your victim to stop them telling anyone?

WillowTheWhisp · 03-03-2005, 16:46

How can you say it affects all families? That's a very sweeping statement. It hasn't affected my family.

Of course I am very pro my own children and if anyone did anything to hurt them it would hurt me. When my daughter was accidentally injured I felt anger towards the car driver. (more so when she claimed she was only doing 20mph and that my daughter ran in front of her but that's a thread wander) and no doubt if either of them were raped words wouldn't begin to describe how I would feel. If the attacker then only received a short prison sentence and was released back into the neighbourhood I'd not be at all pleased and I would certainly make sure everyone knew who he was and what he'd done.

I don't believe that would give me the right to do anything to him in retaliation however. That would put me in the wrong and what would be gained by that? My children wouldn't be helped by it and as someone else said, I'd probably end up in prison and so deprive them of the person they most needed. Where is the sense in that?

Initially I was referring to the attitude shown by some towards Maxine Carr because she didn't actually harm a child herself and to be baying for her blood is just not acceptable to me. She was stupid and naive yes, but she wasn't a child molestor or killer. That was her boyfriend and I believe he is paying the price.

If the school had been aware that he'd had previous tendencies would it have changed anything? Would he have found another way of preying on children? There are two different sorts of problem. Abuse within the family which is not likely to affect anyone outside of the family, and serial paedophiles who will repeatedly seek out young children to sexually abuse. Somehow we need to safeguard our children against the latter when they are released back into society because what is going to stop them doing it again? How do we protect children in family cases? I have no idea.

Have you seen the news item today where a convicted paedophile has £5,500 damages for stress caused by the length of time it took for the caase to come to trial? To add insult to injury most of those delays he caused himself! I am totally convinced that the world has gone mad.

swinny · 03-03-2005, 17:01

It would never happen but the punishment should be left to the parents. I find them disgusting anyone who is aroused by little children is just plain sick.

Tinkerbelle · 03-03-2005, 17:13

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

How can you say it affects all families? That's a very sweeping statement. It hasn't affected my family.

Willow if you are one of the very lucky people that haven't been affected by it, or no-one in your family has, whether it be cousins, Aunties, Brothers, Siters then I think you are the first person i have met.

Tealeaf · 03-03-2005, 17:13

I wonder if some of you would be interested in this site:

http://www.deathlist.net/forums/index.php?act=idx

Personally, I think the 'naming and shaming ' method is the wrong way. Either keep these characters locked up, transport them to an Island where there are no kids (i.e. South Georgia) or arrange castration, chemical or otherwise. For the authorities to let these people "back into the community" is plain daft, whether or not they are fromally "outed". You can be sure that should the former option occur the cops will have insufficient recources to keep an eye on 'em all the time & should it be the latter, and if the mob do succeed in identifing the right person to lynch then he'll probably only end up running as a fugitive in some place where he's not known, only to begin his dastardly deeds all over again.

WillowTheWhisp · 03-03-2005, 17:17

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Originally Posted by Tinkerbelle

Willow if you are one of the very lucky people that haven't been affected by it, or no-one in your family has, whether it be cousins, Aunties, Brothers, Siters then I think you are the first person i have met.

If anyone in my family has been affected by it then I am totally unaware - not parents, children, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces or nephews. I have no brothers or sisters. I know families who have been affected and I know families who haven't, the latter being in the majority.

Tinkerbelle · 03-03-2005, 17:22

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

If anyone in my family has been affected by it then I am totally unaware - not parents, children, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces or nephews. I have no brothers or sisters. I know families who have been affected and I know families who haven't, the latter being in the majority.

Precisely you may be unaware, when you scratch the surface of people you know, you may be surprised it's a taboo subject that people don't usually discuss over dinner.

The point i was getting at saying it affects most families is that it is often unreported to either Police, parents or others then these abusers are left to go on to their next victim because nobody knows about them

lettie · 03-03-2005, 17:27

This is such a contentious issue but the fact remains that most child sex abusers are somebody that the child knows and trusts. They are either family members, friends of the family, somebody who works at their school, nursery or youth club etc or neighbours. This is not a new problem but a problem that seems to be spiralling out of control due to media hype and the fact that this form of abuse is more likely to be reported these days when the actual figures are probably no higher now than they were 50 years ago.

Naming and shaming would probably not achieve very much. I do know someone who had allegations made against him in a local paper several years ago. He endured over 12 months of verbal and physical abuse from neighbours and members of the public before being found innocent. It was also found that the child in question had lied. I met this man during the course of my work, he has since moved out of the area because he said that even though the paper printed the full story and apology after his 12 month ordeal, he was still on the receiving end of threats, name-calling and general distrust, the child in question got off scott free. Now I know that this is not a one off case because it is currently happening to a colleagues brother, who has also just been found to be innocent of any wrong doing and the 14 year old girl making the allegations has finally admitted to fabricating her story based on a teenage crush. These 2 cases that I know of have ruined innocent peoples lives and have shown that you really are guilty until proven innocent in the eyes of the media. Neither of these cases ever went to court but because these people were named by the media their lives have been made hell when neither of them had done anything wrong.
I like to think that I have the good sense not to believe anything that the newspapers print and try to keep in the back of my mind that they are there to sensationalise mundane stories in order to sell papers. As for Maxine Carr, the only thing she did wrong was to fall in love with an evil man. He not only got her to give him an alibi but managed to slip through the net of the police and education authorities. Even the sharpest tool in the box can be taken in by aimiable persuasive people with hidden agendas.