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Old 06-05-2008, 12:39   #166
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I've been puzzling over this for a while now but Cyfr, how do you actually know that they're not the most expensive - are you taking the word of someone else or taking information from any other poll? Or have you assessed every single council in the country and calculated the facts for yourself.

If all the councils were assessed on the same criteria then that is accurate information surely?

I understand your workings out from your blog and the use of Band D - but surely that is the means for an average assessment?
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Old 06-05-2008, 16:13   #167
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Oh dont get him started again....
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Old 06-05-2008, 18:10   #168
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It is probably worth noting that the three biggest rip offs in this country were before cyfr's time, ie, decimalisation, value added tax, and the poll tax, oh, and were all introduced by the tories, who started the mass council house sale?, who sold off the nationalised industries? killed off the coal mines? and destroyed trade unions? Or in short, made rich people even greedier and richer, and gave them more opportunities to be so?
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Old 06-05-2008, 18:34   #169
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Old 06-05-2008, 18:52   #170
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haha, very subtle, too much so perhaps rindy.
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Old 06-05-2008, 22:49   #171
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I've been puzzling over this for a while now but Cyfr, how do you actually know that they're not the most expensive - are you taking the word of someone else or taking information from any other poll? Or have you assessed every single council in the country and calculated the facts for yourself.

If all the councils were assessed on the same criteria then that is accurate information surely?

I understand your workings out from your blog and the use of Band D - but surely that is the means for an average assessment?
No its not accurate just because they assessed them the same. Quite simply because every constituency has different numbers of band D housing. If a constituency has majority band D housing, you can assume the average wage will be that of somebody living in band D housing and therefore the telegraph figure will be much more representative. For those with majorities not in band D then it is simply not representative. It will make those with majority in housing below D seem expensive, and the reverse, make constituencies with the majority of housing above band D appear very cheap.

No I haven't looked at every council in Britain. Although if you look at how expensive councils are on the basis of how much the resident has to pay not in relation to income, and hence not skewed by averages, Hyndburn certainly doesn't appear in the top 10 according to the LATEST telegraph article (that's this year not January 2007). On the matter, since council tax has risen by only 45% less than half the rate the average council tax has increased, then the tax burden under the previous labour administration would have to have been HUGE.
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Old 06-05-2008, 22:58   #172
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No its not accurate just because they assessed them the same. Quite simply because every constituency has different numbers of band D housing. If a constituency has majority band D housing, you can assume the average wage will be that of somebody living in band D housing and therefore the telegraph figure will be much more representative. For those with majorities not in band D then it is simply not representative. It will make those with majority in housing below D seem expensive, and the reverse, make constituencies with the majority of housing above band D appear very cheap.

No I haven't looked at every council in Britain. Although if you look at how expensive councils are on the basis of how much the resident has to pay not in relation to income, and hence not skewed by averages, Hyndburn certainly doesn't appear in the top 10 according to the LATEST telegraph article (that's this year not January 2007). On the matter, since council tax has risen by only 45% less than half the rate the average council tax has increased, then the tax burden under the previous labour administration would have to have been HUGE.
I think this thread is tired............why not start a poll thread asking the good people of Accyweb:

'Do you think that the incumbent Prime Minister is up to the job'?
I must say the Greg Pope has sided with Frank Field to question the 10% change in basic tax...Good on him.
Even though the chancellor is considering rebates the basic rate of tax will remain 20% due to his budget
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Old 06-05-2008, 23:06   #173
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This is getting boring!!!!
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Old 06-05-2008, 23:12   #174
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This is getting boring!!!!
Then why are you reading it?
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Old 06-05-2008, 23:12   #175
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I think this thread is tired............why not start a poll thread asking the good people of Accyweb:

'Do you think that the incumbent Prime Minister is up to the job'?
I must say the Greg Pope has sided with Frank Field to question the 10% change in basic tax...Good on him.
Even though the chancellor is considering rebates the basic rate of tax will remain 20% due to his budget
Why don't you?
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Old 06-05-2008, 23:19   #176
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Then why are you reading it?
Because I keep hoping rather naively that it might have got a bit more interesting
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Old 06-05-2008, 23:24   #177
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No its not accurate just because they assessed them the same. Quite simply because every constituency has different numbers of band D housing. If a constituency has majority band D housing, you can assume the average wage will be that of somebody living in band D housing and therefore the telegraph figure will be much more representative. For those with majorities not in band D then it is simply not representative. It will make those with majority in housing below D seem expensive, and the reverse, make constituencies with the majority of housing above band D appear very cheap.

No I haven't looked at every council in Britain. Although if you look at how expensive councils are on the basis of how much the resident has to pay not in relation to income, and hence not skewed by averages, Hyndburn certainly doesn't appear in the top 10 according to the LATEST telegraph article (that's this year not January 2007). On the matter, since council tax has risen by only 45% less than half the rate the average council tax has increased, then the tax burden under the previous labour administration would have to have been HUGE.
I don't think you're ever destined to be one of the great political orators of history.

Hardly a rousing argument, with clear, well defined bullet points, to make what you say easily understandable.

Have you ever thought you might be better suited for a career in medicine, because I think you've definitely cured my insomnia.
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Old 06-05-2008, 23:26   #178
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I don't think you're ever destined to be one of the great political orators of history.

Hardly a rousing argument, with clear, well defined bullet points, to make what you say easily understandable.

Have you ever thought you might be better suited for a career in medicine, because I think you've definitely cured my insomnia.
See what I mean Son?
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Old 06-05-2008, 23:29   #179
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See what I mean Son?
if ya only knew mate.
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Old 06-05-2008, 23:31   #180
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if ya only knew mate.
That wasn't a reference to what Garinda said it was a response to a PM.
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