Should Graham Jones resign? 'labour group leader' - Page 2

Margaret Pilkington · 02-05-2008, 08:37

No Graham Jones should not resign....he is a hard working councillor who has the best interests of the ward he serves, in mind.
We would do well to have many more councillors like him....then maybe we could have the kind of town we could be proud of.

blazey · 02-05-2008, 08:38

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

No Graham Jones should not resign....he is a hard working councillor who has the best interests of the ward he serves, in mind.
We would do well to have many more councillors like him....then maybe we could have the kind of town we could be proud of.

I think you have missed the point, Cyfr isn't saying shoul he resign as a councillor, he is asking whether he should resign as the local labour leader, which is an entirely different matter.

Margaret Pilkington · 02-05-2008, 08:38

Cyfr, all political parties are reliant on manipulation of figures......they do not, however, call them lies....they call it 'spin'.

andrewb · 02-05-2008, 08:39

Again, this thread is not about him resigning as councillor. Could a mod please make this more clear as people seem to be getting confused.

He got elected last night again by the electorate of his ward (well 26% of them!), nobody is calling for him to resign after he's been elected!

andrewb · 02-05-2008, 08:40

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Cyfr, all political parties are reliant on manipulation of figures......they do not, however, call them lies....they call it 'spin'.

The leaflet had lies. The twisting of figures was very distasteful and dishonest, but bits of the leaflet were completely WRONG.

Margaret Pilkington · 02-05-2008, 08:41

No....I take the point, but if he is a good councillor then surely he is just as good a Labour leader aa PB is a Conservative Leader....and I do not believe that PB hasn't stretched the truth on very many occasions and he hasn't resigned.

Margaret Pilkington · 02-05-2008, 08:42

Lies, Fibs, Untruths, Spin....they all mean the same thing.

andrewb · 02-05-2008, 08:43

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Lies, Fibs, Untruths, Spin....they all mean the same thing.

Spin doesn't incorrectly state something. It simply twists its meaning.

blazey · 02-05-2008, 08:43

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

No....I take the point, but if he is a good councillor then surely he is just as good a Labour leader aa PB is a Conservative Leader....and I do not believe that PB hasn't stretched the truth on very many occasions and he hasn't resigned.

Thats made your own point more clear, but when you say No and then talk about his role as a councillor in your reasoning it doesn't really make much sense

I agree with you though completely. I don't understand why anyone would think he should resign, I think he's done a decent job at both roles.

Who would you recommend take his place Cyfr?

onlyme · 02-05-2008, 08:44

[quote=Cyfr;570310]Again, this thread is not about him resigning as councillor. Could a mod please make this more clear as people seem to be getting confused.

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Is that not your job, seeing as you created the thread???

andrewb · 02-05-2008, 08:45

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Originally Posted by blazey

Thats made your own point more clear, but when you say No and then talk about his role as a councillor in your reasoning it doesn't really make much sense

I agree with you though completely. I don't understand why anyone would think he should resign, I think he's done a decent job at both roles.

Who would you recommend take his place Cyfr?

A moderator labour member who doesn't hate the opposition. Somebody with some competence when it comes to understanding figures!

I'm sure Gayle would be up to it

andrewb · 02-05-2008, 08:45

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Again, this thread is not about him resigning as councillor. Could a mod please make this more clear as people seem to be getting confused.

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Is that not your job, seeing as you created the thread???

I can't change the original post or I would...

blazey · 02-05-2008, 08:47

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

A moderator labour member who doesn't hate the opposition. Somebody with some competence when it comes to understanding figures!

I'm sure Gayle would be up to it

Maybe you could do it, only thing you'd be lacking from what I gather from your perception of yourself is being a member of labour. Pretty sure you could fix that though

garinda · 02-05-2008, 08:48

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

I just wonder how well they'd do without the blatant lies in their leaflets about council tax!

You may disagree with how the figures were arrived at, but using the findings from a national newspaper, a famously Tory newspaper, is not lieing.

If the Daily Telegraph had used the same calculations, and had named Hyndburn to be one of the ten cheapest places for council tax, you can rest assured the local Conservatives would have had the information blazened across all their election paphlets.

You are starting to come across as petty and vindictive, something David Cameron is supposed to be against. Didn't he say he would concentrate on his own party's policies, rather than attacking the opposition?

Maybe it's time you did the same, while you still have a leg to stand on.

Margaret Pilkington · 02-05-2008, 08:50

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Originally Posted by blazey

Thats made your own point more clear, but when you say No and then talk about his role as a councillor in your reasoning it doesn't really make much sense

I agree with you though completely. I don't understand why anyone would think he should resign, I think he's done a decent job at both roles.

Who would you recommend take his place Cyfr?

OK, so maybe in context of the question it didn't seem to make sense....but my justification was that in respect of his electors he is doing a good job......and I'm not sure who decides who should be leader of the labour group...but I bet it isn't the folk who recognise GJ for what he does that is positive, and ALL politicians use information to their own ends.