Should Hyndburn be supporting Pakistan in Kashmir? - Page 3

MargaretR · 01-03-2012, 13:45

The damage is done and can't/won't be undone.

Continuing to discuss it serves no useful purpose.

If the councillors haven't got the message by now, they never will.

If you need to be angry, find another new injustice to highlight - please.

yerself · 01-03-2012, 13:53

What is HBC doing poking its nose into this matter. This is what the Foreign Office have to say about it.

Country Profile: Pakistan

UK Position on Kashmir

The long standing position of the UK is that it is for India and Pakistan to find a lasting resolution to the situation in Kashmir, one which takes into account the wishes of the Kashmiri people. It is not for the UK to prescribe a solution or to mediate in finding one. We welcome the positive steps being taken by Pakistan and India to build trust and confidence.

We remain committed to our engagement in a practical way through the UK Government’s Conflict Pool, which continues to fund a number of projects designed to assist those in India, Pakistan and on both sides of the Line of Control with efforts to facilitate dialogue and address the causes and impact of conflict in the region.

accyman · 01-03-2012, 13:53

if a side must have been supported out of the two sides in this i would have prefered our council supported the side that dosnt support the taliban and didnt hide and provide shelter for binladen .

HBC should have steered clear of this isuue period and i dont just mean labour i mean the bloody lot of em

Margaret Pilkington · 01-03-2012, 13:56

I think that what Margaret has said makes sense.
It does no good at all to go round and round in circles.
Nothing that we can say will influence what has happened.....it may not even prevent it from happening again.
My feeling is that it was a sop to the councillors who hail from this part of the world.
Jaysay has already said that they are less interested in local politics than getting what they consider, is a fair deal for constituents from their own community.
I think that observation hit the nail on the head.

Less · 01-03-2012, 13:56

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

The damage is done and can't/won't be undone.

Continuing to discuss it serves no useful purpose.

Perhaps not.

However unlike conspiricy theories and endless grumblings about imagined illnesses and their extra-ordinary cures, this has happened in the real world.

If we allow such things to go without comment, how many other distasteful and perhaps undemocratic actions will they think they can get away with?

Margaret Pilkington · 01-03-2012, 13:59

Less, I agree that to let it go unchallenged is not right, but then neither is it right to keep bringing up something which is in the past, and which seems to create little concern amongst the councillors of HBC.
I think it is called 'labouring' a point.

cashman · 01-03-2012, 14:05

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Less, I agree that to let it go unchallenged is not right, but then neither is it right to keep bringing up something which is in the past, and which seems to create little concern amongst the councillors of HBC.
I think it is called 'labouring' a point.

I disagree, by keeping on about what was blatantly a bad move, Makes it less likely they will fall fer the same trick next time? Keep on just fer a day or so after, then its soon forgotten.

Michael1954 · 01-03-2012, 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR

The damage is done and can't/won't be undone.

Continuing to discuss it serves no useful purpose.

If the councillors haven't got the message by now, they never will.

If you need to be angry, find another new injustice to highlight - please.

You can always stop reading the thread if you have had enough of it.

garinda · 01-03-2012, 14:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by MargaretR

The damage is done and can't/won't be undone.

Continuing to discuss it serves no useful purpose.

If the councillors haven't got the message by now, they never will.

If you need to be angry, find another new injustice to highlight - please.

Are you advocating censorship, about what people might, or might not want to discuss on this forum?

Given the number of people who've voted so far, the vast majority seem to have a strong view about what the role of local government should be.

If you have no opinion on this matter, that's fine.

But please don't try and dictate what things other members should think of as important.

As for 'continuing the discussion...because the damage is done'.

If we are unhappy with what our elected representatives have done in our name, and a third of those representatives will be up for re-election in two months time, continued discussion is a very vaild way for people to air their concerns.

No one is forced to enter in the discussion, if they don't wish to.

If this is of no interest, don't waste your time, by reading it.

garinda · 01-03-2012, 14:26

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Originally Posted by gynn

I strongly disagree with the assertion that the issue should never have been discussed by the Council.

Whatever the wording, or whichever foreign country's cause we are adding weight to, by voting to support it.

You, yourself, seemed quite scathing only a couple of month ago, that Hyndburn Borough Council was involving itself in international matters.

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Originally Posted by gynn

There is clearly now an urgent need for the Council to appoint a new cabinet post - Cabinet Member with responsibility for Foreign Affairs. They could become a sort of Henry Kissinger character, roaming the globe visiting trouble spots and solving potentially explosive situations with their tact and diplomacy.

Who knows, if Hyndburn had been involved in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, we might have known there were no weapons of mass destruction.....

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...tml#post947795

Why the change?

The council's constitution hasn't changed since November.

Less · 01-03-2012, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

but then neither is it right to keep bringing up something which is in the past,
I think it is called 'labouring' a point.

The simple reply to that is:-

November the 11th, every year, 'Lest we forget'.

Some things we should remember, the death of a generation & the guardianship of democracy must never be forgotten.

mobertol · 01-03-2012, 14:34

Fairly conclusive vote on this poll - as he has commented i was wondering if Cllr. Moss had actually voted or not -is he one of the "No" votes or is it a tactical abstention, I wonder...

gynn · 01-03-2012, 14:35

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Originally Posted by garinda

Why the change?

I saw the Council minute and was impressed by the way the officers dealt with it.

garinda · 01-03-2012, 14:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Less, I agree that to let it go unchallenged is not right, but then neither is it right to keep bringing up something which is in the past, and which seems to create little concern amongst the councillors of HBC.
I think it is called 'labouring' a point.

It's being discussed on here at the moment because, for the first time since the motion was supported by the council in November, a councillor, Ken Moss, has recently discussed the issue on Accy Web.

Until this week there's been a wall of stony silence from any councillor on here, about this matter.

That is why it's still valid as a discussion.

garinda · 01-03-2012, 14:45

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Originally Posted by gynn

I saw the Council minute and was impressed by the way the officers dealt with it.

So, you were sarcastically scathing that H.B.C. were involving itself in international matters, in November.

Cue a few months later, because in your opinion the council dealt with those international issues 'impressively', you now think it's within the remit of a local council to give time to discuss and support conflicts in foreign lands.

Er...ok.

If every village has to have an idiot, I suppose the same goes for a borough.