Should Saddam Hussein hang? - Page 4

SPUGGIE J · 06-11-2006, 21:21

Having his neck streched is the easy way out for him as he wont have to face his own people everyday and in his own twisted befuddled mind he is a martyr. Tealeaf is entiled to his oppinion the same as the rest of us. It is possible that some people might be "pinko liberal do-gooders" which is a lot better than the words I use for them.

Billcat · 06-11-2006, 22:17

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Originally Posted by jambutty

Following your religious lead, doesn’t the bible state an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth?

The Old Testament does, in Exodus and Deuteronomy. Here's what Jesus said in the New Testament,"You have heard that it was said, "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth". But I say to you, do not resist an evildoer. If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:38-39, NRSV)

So, which part of the Bible should one follow? Personally, I do not see that any useful purpose is served by the death penalty.

Ultimately, it's up to the Iraqi courts.

entwisi · 07-11-2006, 07:31

How about the bit that says "Thou shalt not kill"

Words attributed to teh big man as opposed to any of teh minnions

LancYorkYankee · 07-11-2006, 13:42

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Originally Posted by entwisi

How about the bit that says "Thou shalt not kill"

Words attributed to teh big man as opposed to any of teh minnions

In the original text/language, it really states: "Thou shall not murder!"

The Old Testament is chock full of either by God's direct hand, or Him ordering the Isrealites, to kill those opposed to the His will. Under the Mosaic Law, violators of the Law were often called to be stoned for what we may find kinda minor infractions.

jambutty · 07-11-2006, 13:44

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Originally Posted by Neil

We don't really. Several people who voted no said they thought hanging was too good for him.

It’s the vote that counts and not the reason for it Neil and we still have a hung jury at 20 all.

And God said, “Though shall not kill” and then promptly drowned thousands of Egyptian soldiers as they tried to cross the parted Red Sea whilst chasing the Israelites. Not exactly the best of examples is it entwisi.

And then commanded those favoured few to attack and take the lands of Jericho and Ay for starters.

The Old Testament is littered with such examples.

Tealeaf · 07-11-2006, 13:58

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Originally Posted by jambutty

An apology to those who disagree with you would not go amiss Tealeaf.

If they disagree, thats up to them. I apologise to no one.

Stanaccy · 07-11-2006, 14:40

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Originally Posted by LancYorkYankee

In the original text/language, it really states: "Thou shall not murder!"

The Old Testament is chock full of either by God's direct hand, or Him ordering the Isrealites, to kill those opposed to the His will. Under the Mosaic Law, violators of the Law were often called to be stoned for what we may find kinda minor infractions.

As I said how do you differentiate between state murder and individual murder? Just because a group of individuals say it's ok to take a life then it's legal?

Death by the state is just as barbarous as death by any other violent means and should be eradicated.

SPUGGIE J · 07-11-2006, 14:48

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy

As I said how do you differentiate between state murder and individual murder? Just because a group of individuals say it's ok to take a life then it's legal?

Death by the state is just as barbarous as death by any other violent means and should be eradicated.

That is up to the state that has this form of punishment wether to use it or not. It is their soveriegn right to have it if they so choose wether, that others view it as wrong.

jambutty · 07-11-2006, 14:50

It isn’t just a group of individuals Stanaccy but a legitimately convened government of Iraq and they have the death penalty for certain offences. We may not agree with it but it is their country and their decision and we have no right to interfere.

So to answer your question, as far as Iraq is concerned, it is legal for the state to take a life under certain circumstances and after due process of law. That due process has been followed and a verdict given. That’s it - end of story.

LancYorkYankee · 07-11-2006, 19:07

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Originally Posted by Stanaccy

Death by the state is just as barbarous as death by any other violent means and should be eradicated.

I fully support the death penalty and am glad the US has it. Especially in the case where there is full and complete evidence to convict somebody. I feel it is not only a deterent, but you also eliminate a dreg of, and a drag on, society.

Okay I know this is a thread wander but please honestly answer this Stanaccy: If you had a child who had been kidnapped from you, horribly abused and tortured, then killed and thrown away like a piece of trash, would you not think this "thing" wouldn't deserve the death penalty?

This is not a made up example, this sort of thing is happening more and more in our society over here. This type of animal has violated every principal of human decency (in most any culture).

Okay done!

Brian

WillowTheWhisp · 07-11-2006, 19:33

It's happened here too Brian.

Stanaccy · 07-11-2006, 20:46

Vengeance is not justice.

I cannot see how it is civilised to shoot, electrocute, hang, poison, lethally inject or whatever "humane" way you put down people who 12 people have decided is not fit to live. Ok 14 if you include the prosecutor and the judge.

Surely it is more civilised to have a justice system where the perpetrator of this crime is gaoled for a determinate length of time, and hopefully re-educated. I nthe case of the abhorence that you mentioned Brian then life should mean life, also in the case you mentioned, (Willow is right they do happen here) once the animal has done one crime like that and knows they will be executed, where is the deterrent to prevent more happening? If you are going to die anyway why not kill a few more and make your mark as the new Ted Bundy. Capital punishment doesn't work as a deterrent it is only used as a tool of revenge.

Also as you raised the point of capital punishment as a deterrent could you also answer why if that is the case countries with the death penalty have more murders than those without?

NationMaster - Statistics > Murders (per capita) by country

Oh and just an aside my 13 year old daughter was raped 2 years ago and yes I wanted vengeance, after a while it dulls down and knowing the ***t is suffering in prison is enough for us, and I am pleased to say her as well.

Mik Dickinson · 07-11-2006, 22:22

I voted no too it should be slow and painful.Hanging is too fast for him.
How about an ant hill and a load of honey?

SPUGGIE J · 08-11-2006, 08:15

He is in for it wether he swings or not yet some rags reported that he wanted all Iraqi's wether kurd arab shi'ite or sunny to shake hands for the sake of Iraq.
Is it just me or is he trying to avoid the drop and swing? I would be suprised if any listened to him anymore as they are well rid of him.

Wynonie Harris · 08-11-2006, 08:36

Hang him high.

Funny though, I don't recall many western politicians clamouring for him to be brought to justice twenty years ago and he was just as murderous then. I wonder why?

Anyway, that's one job out of the way. Now maybe Tony can embark on the invasion of Zimbabwe and the subsequent trial of Robert Mugabe for his crimes against humanity...oh sorry, I forgot, there's no oil there.

Yes, Saddam deserves to hang but I wish the likes of Bush and Blair would spare us the moral outrage. Pass me the sick bag.