Should we 'legalise illegal drugs'? - Poll. - Page 29

kestrelx · 02-09-2012, 13:37

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Originally Posted by Restless

There is a difference between somebody that pushes drugs and somebody that sells drugs.

Yes. What for just an example I decide to grow a load of cannabis and sell it to a bunch of people that I know. Would this be an immoral act? no it wouldn't. Illegal yes.

But If I bag it up, stand on street corners(do pushers actually do this? I have never seen it) and whisper to little kids...

Yes it's illegal but growing a bit of cannabis and then sell it to a few mates is your choice to break the law.

But if you sell out side schools and so on to underage children that is highly immoral and you should be given a sentence in my view.

So places in London there are dealers on the street who approach people in the street and offer drugs for sale.

kestrelx · 02-09-2012, 13:51

Has anyone heard of Khat? (pronounced Cot) It is a plant from Africa - Ethopia and Somalia - it is legal in the UK and gives the user mild euphoria and is a bit like mild speed. It is legally available from Somalia type green grocers, probably maybe some in Blackburn or Manchester.

It comes in bundles of leaves on stalks and has to be chewed to get the effect - the juice from chewing is swallowed and the remaining material spat out. It is a lot of effort to chew it and has a bitter taste and is a bit similar to chewing a bag of liquorice - it takes up to 2 hours to chew enough. It is mainly used by those Ethnic types as a social stimulant in social meetings, bit like British use beer in the pub.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Kh...w=1067&bih=505

susie123 · 02-09-2012, 14:17

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

Has anyone heard of Khat? (pronounced Cot) It is a plant from Africa - Ethopia and Somalia - it is legal in the UK and gives the user mild euphoria and is a bit like mild speed. It is legally available from Somalia type green grocers, probably maybe some in Blackburn or Manchester.

It comes in bundles of leaves on stalks and has to be chewed to get the effect - the juice from chewing is swallowed and the remaining material spat out. It is a lot of effort to chew it and has a bitter taste and is a bit similar to chewing a bag of liquorice - it takes up to 2 hours to chew enough. It is mainly used by those Ethnic types as a social stimulant in social meetings, bit like British use beer in the pub.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Kh...w=1067&bih=505

Seems like the drug of choice, Kes, according to this graph (see thumbnail below)... but perhaps not legal for too much longer if the Tories have their way...

((From Wikipedia) Although concerns have been expressed by commentators, health professionals and community members about the use of khat in the UK, particularly by immigrants from Somalia, Yemen and Ethiopia, currently it is not a controlled substance.

As a result of these concerns, the Home Office commissioned successive research studies to look into the matter, and in 2005, presented the question of khat's legal status before the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs. After a review of the evidence, the expert committee recommended in January 2006 that the status of khat as a legal substance should remain for the time being.

In 2008, Conservative politician Sayeeda Warsi stated that a future Conservative government would ban khat. The website of the Conservative Party, which is now the largest party in a coalition government in the UK, previously stated that a Conservative government would "Tackle unacceptable cultural practices by", amongst other measures, "classifying Khat". In 2009, the Home Office commissioned two new studies in the effects of khat use and in June 2010, a Home Office spokesperson stated: "The Government is committed to addressing any form of substance misuse and will keep the issue of khat use under close scrutiny".

Because it is legal in the UK, and because of khat's short shelf life, Britain serves as a main gateway for khat being sent by air to North America.
During a debate on the legality on the 11 January 2012, UK Member of Parliament for Milton Keynes Mark Lancaster, Conservative, stated importation of Khat into the UK stands at 10 tonnes every week.

cashman · 02-09-2012, 14:21

Stupid in my opinion, explaining on a forum, how to obtain n use.

Restless · 02-09-2012, 14:25

After watching the documentary on beeb about "legal highs" I think they are also a serious problem. People ingesting bath salts to get high and such. ugh

susie123 · 02-09-2012, 14:28

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Originally Posted by cashman

Stupid in my opinion, explaining on a forum, how to obtain n use.

No one's forcing you to buy and use it, just as no one's forcing you to buy a pint of beer or a packet of fags...

kestrelx · 02-09-2012, 14:31

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Originally Posted by susie123

Seems like the drug of choice, Kes, according to this graph... but perhaps not legal for too much longer if the Tories have their way...

((From Wikipedia) Although concerns have been expressed by commentators, health professionals and community members about the use of khat in the UK, particularly by immigrants from Somalia, Yemen and Ethiopia, currently it is not a controlled substance.

As a result of these concerns, the Home Office commissioned successive research studies to look into the matter, and in 2005, presented the question of khat's legal status before the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs. After a review of the evidence, the expert committee recommended in January 2006 that the status of khat as a legal substance should remain for the time being.

In 2008, Conservative politician Sayeeda Warsi stated that a future Conservative government would ban khat. The website of the Conservative Party, which is now the largest party in a coalition government in the UK, previously stated that a Conservative government would "Tackle unacceptable cultural practices by", amongst other measures, "classifying Khat". In 2009, the Home Office commissioned two new studies in the effects of khat use and in June 2010, a Home Office spokesperson stated: "The Government is committed to addressing any form of substance misuse and will keep the issue of khat use under close scrutiny".

Because it is legal in the UK, and because of khat's short shelf life, Britain serves as a main gateway for khat being sent by air to North America.
During a debate on the legality on the 11 January 2012, UK Member of Parliament for Milton Keynes Mark Lancaster, Conservative, stated importation of Khat into the UK stands at 10 tonnes every week.

Mmm well thanks for that Sue, probaly reason why it's been legal so long is that it's used by those people from Somalia and Yemen etc and is not the kind of thing that would appeal to British people for a social drug. Because it takes ages to chew and is quite a bad taste, also can't drink alcohol on it, kids in the UK just wouldn't take to this. 2 hours of chewing to get a high. It suits the ethnics because it's a social custom to sit round chewing it - but would not suit British Cultural social etiquette.

Also it can't be distilled or the main component extracted. It goes off radpidly and has to be consumed within 48hours after picking. It is flown over here in refrigerated planes and it's potency deteriorates rapidly.

cashman · 02-09-2012, 14:31

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Originally Posted by susie123

No one's forcing you to buy and use it, just as no one's forcing you to buy a pint of beer or a packet of fags...

Obviously but still if you think that showing kids the way is ok, yer entitled to.

susie123 · 02-09-2012, 14:36

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

Mmm well thanks for that Sue, probaly reason why it's been legal so long is that it's used by those people from Somalia and Yemen etc and is not the kind of thing that would appeal to British people for a social drug. Because it takes ages to chew and is quite a bad taste, also can't drink alcohol on it, kids in the UK just wouldn't take to this. 2 hours of chewing to get a high. It suits the ethnics because it's a social custom to sit round chewing it - but would not suit British Cultural social etiquette.

Pity - it actually sounds quite civilised - like the Arabs and their hookahs in cafes.

Restless · 02-09-2012, 14:43

Perhaps all drugs(alcohol included of course) related threads should be moved to 18+

kestrelx · 02-09-2012, 14:43

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Originally Posted by susie123

Pity - it actually sounds quite civilised - like the Arabs and their hookahs in cafes.

There is one near me, they are in their all day chewing the stuff.

Restless · 02-09-2012, 14:45

I think i will stick to my whiskey thank you

Wynonie Harris · 02-09-2012, 14:50

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Originally Posted by Restless

I think i will stick to my whiskey thank you

Irish, I presume?

Restless · 02-09-2012, 15:11

Because of the spelling?

I like Bushmills Irish whiskey. But. I prefer American whiskies. My favourite at the moment is Jim Beam Red Stagg. It is a black cherry infused whiskey. Goes down a treat

Expensive though; when not on special offer.

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Irish, I presume?

Wynonie Harris · 02-09-2012, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Restless

Because of the spelling?

I like Bushmills Irish whiskey. But. I prefer American whiskies. My favourite at the moment is Jim Beam Red Stagg. It is a black cherry infused whiskey. Goes down a treat

Expensive though; when not on special offer.

"black cherry infused whisky"? Gordon Bennett, Mr R! Think I'll stick with me Johnnie Walker Black Label.