Should we negotiate with the Taliban?

Mancie · 02-08-2009, 01:22

The Daily Mail..the God that gives all the Tories their instructions when posting on here.. has an article that states the Government should hold talks with the Taliban after Milliband hinted of such talks.... what say you?
MAX HASTINGS: Sorry, but we HAVE to talk to the Taliban: It's the only way to salvage some hope from this mess, argues military historian | Mail Online

SPUGGIE J · 02-08-2009, 06:44

If we head down this road then all groups along these lines in any country will expect the same treatment. Going down this road will open us up to, as a country to what in my opinion would be blackmail. Ok we did in Northern Ireland but that has produced stability and progress and was an internal issue. The chances of us producing this else were? We cannot go forth with this without a large amount of ridicule and destain from the international community at large. The Taliban would only talk if they get what they want ie Afganistan the way it was before the present military action started.

jaysay · 02-08-2009, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Mancie

The Daily Mail..the God that gives all the Tories their instructions when posting on here.. has an article that states the Government should hold talks with the Taliban after Miliband hinted of such talks.... what say you?
MAX HASTINGS: Sorry, but we HAVE to talk to the Taliban: It's the only way to salvage some hope from this mess, argues military historian | Mail Online

Seems the Mail is essential reading for you too Mancie

accyman · 02-08-2009, 10:35

yes we should get all their leaders in a room sat around a table..

then fill that room with poisonous gas or blow it up

Eric · 03-08-2009, 18:43

I think we should talk to the Taliban. It could go along these lines: "Well, for some strange reason, you don't seem to want us here; so, we are going to pack up and leave. You can now take your shiitehole of a country and drag it back to the late paleolithic where it belongs. You can have your islamic dictatorship, and treat your women like crap. In fact, because you have lousy football teams, you can use the stadiums for public floggings of women; so that the crowd of sexually repressed and twisted males can get their jollies. But don't pee us off. If you do we will come back; but this time with air support from the Israelis ... remember, the Hebrew word for "collateral damage" is "Bonus"

And by the way; no more aid. .... Oh, and have a nice day".

cashman · 03-08-2009, 18:58

i would talk to the taliban, like heres a nuke mate cop fer that.

terminator · 03-08-2009, 19:19

My answer is no! pull our soldiers out of there, there is nothing to be gained by staying in Taliban country,let alone talking to these terrorist's.

g jones · 03-08-2009, 19:24

Gadaffi, Arafat, Mandela were all terrorists. More recently Lebanon, Syria and Hamas in Palastine have supported terrorism but we negotiated with them. I prefer not to negotiate but when British people are held hostage the British Government cannot be hemmed in.

The Taliban are a flagship for Islamic extremism. Removing the Taliban won't stop Islamic extremism.

I think the Afghans will be policing the urban areas soon and troops pulled back. It is a war we must win. With the Pakistani army to the south and the coalition to the North the Taliban are not free to support their extremist terrorist ideas.

The moment we pull out the Taliban will overrun the Pakistan army to the south. The stakes are high.

Eric · 03-08-2009, 19:35

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Originally Posted by g jones

Gadaffi, Arafat, Mandela were all terrorists. More recently Lebanon, Syria and Hamas in Palastine have supported terrorism but we negotiated with them. I prefer not to negotiate but when British people are held hostage the British Government cannot be hemmed in.

The Taliban are a flagship for Islamic extremism. Removing the Taliban won't stop Islamic extremism.

I think the Afghans will be policing the urban areas soon and troops pulled back. It is a war we must win. With the Pakistani army to the south and the coalition to the North the Taliban are not free to support their extremist terrorist ideas.

The moment we pull out the Taliban will overrun the Pakistan army to the south. The stakes are high.

Don't agree with the analysis here .... the stakes may be high; but I don't think that we should be using our troops as chips in the game. We are talking men and women here ... men like Sapper Christian Bobbit and Sapper Mathieu Allard, 5e Regiment du genie de combat, kia last Saturday. Time to cut loose and leave them to it.

Royboy39 · 03-08-2009, 19:40

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Originally Posted by g jones

Gadaffi, Arafat, Mandela were all terrorists. More recently Lebanon, Syria and Hamas in Palastine have supported terrorism but we negotiated with them. I prefer not to negotiate but when British people are held hostage the British Government cannot be hemmed in.

The Taliban are a flagship for Islamic extremism. Removing the Taliban won't stop Islamic extremism.

I think the Afghans will be policing the urban areas soon and troops pulled back. It is a war we must win. With the Pakistani army to the south and the coalition to the North the Taliban are not free to support their extremist terrorist ideas.

The moment we pull out the Taliban will overrun the Pakistan army to the south. The stakes are high.

Is the trouble with Afghanistan or Pakistan....Hard to define?

steeljack · 03-08-2009, 20:05

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Originally Posted by g jones

Gadaffi, Arafat, Mandela were all terrorists. .

don't forget the Stern gang ,the Haganah and the Irgun , now they are the 'wests' number one ally

Eric · 03-08-2009, 21:07

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Originally Posted by steeljack

don't forget the Stern gang ,the Haganah and the Irgun , now they are the 'wests' number one ally

But when it comes to terrorism, these guys don't screw around .... unfortunately, wars on terrorism are about as effective as wars on drugs, and wars on crime ....

Still think that what we should say to the Taliban is "See you guys later, eh. Have a nice day."

Mancie · 03-08-2009, 22:00

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Originally Posted by Eric

But when it comes to terrorism, these guys don't screw around .... unfortunately, wars on terrorism are about as effective as wars on drugs, and wars on crime ....

Still think that what we should say to the Taliban is "See you guys later, eh. Have a nice day."

But then what was the point of going to war against the Taliban in the first place? the reason for going into Aftganistan was to destroy the terrorist threat from the Taliban, who made no bones of the fact they were out to attack the "west" , in anyway possible. As Spuggie said earlier the ony talking the Taliban will do is to restore their control of Aftganistan....leaving the door open to take control of Pakistan, a nation with advanced nuclear weapons.....I don't like the idea of a perverse Islamic regime, with no fear of being wiped out themselves, having the power to destroy the world.

katex · 03-08-2009, 22:04

It's the old strategy .. "Defeat the enemy; then talk to them".

jaysay · 04-08-2009, 09:35

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Originally Posted by katex

It's the old strategy .. "Defeat the enemy; then talk to them".

May have a point, my late Father always asked why he put his life on the line, now that the Germans are taking control of this country via the back door of the E. U.