"Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe

[blazey]

Everyone loves the Conservative Party really, and that's why I don't understand why people vote for Labour.

You all rant about wanting the death penalty back, but at some point when the death penalty DID exist, people must've WANTED a change and voted for someone else, otherwise the Tories would've kept things how they where.

People whinge about change and then vote Labour, and as it gets worse and worse, you just keep on voting for them and wondering what is happening to society. Well Labour is what happened, and to be quite frank they were a load of crap in the beginning and they just get worse and worse every year.

David Cameron at least looks alright, Gordon Brown can't even speak properly, he just mumbles and someone interprets it afterwards... and then you wonder what has gone wrong... well its Labour that have gone wrong.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Some of us are old enough to remember when Labour was old Labour before Tony Blair. Things change. Political parties change. It isn't as cut and dried and simple as you think. When Tories were in power people grumbled. There were many things which people wanted changing. That's why they voted Labour.

[panther]

Originally Posted by blazey

Everyone loves the Conservative Party really, and that's why I don't understand why people vote for Labour.

You all rant about wanting the death penalty back, but at some point when the death penalty DID exist, people must've WANTED a change and voted for someone else, otherwise the Tories would've kept things how they where.

People whinge about change and then vote Labour, and as it gets worse and worse, you just keep on voting for them and wondering what is happening to society. Well Labour is what happened, and to be quite frank they were a load of crap in the beginning and they just get worse and worse every year.

David Cameron at least looks alright, Gordon Brown can't even speak properly, he just mumbles and someone interprets it afterwards... and then you wonder what has gone wrong... well its Labour that have gone wrong.

Labour have been into power for over 10 years blazey, ya was only bloody 8/9 years old when they did, how do ya know conservative will be better......like all the politcians...everything that comes out of there gob is utter ****!!....so conservatives are as bloody BAD

[garinda]

Britcliffe is bound to be out at the next election, now he has the support of Blazey.

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by panther

Labour have been into power for over 10 years blazey, ya was only bloody 8/9 years old when they did, how do ya know conservative will be better......like all the politcians...everything that comes out of there gob is utter ****!!....so conservatives are as bloody BAD

Exactly the same as the 18/19 year olds who voted Labour into government in 1997 - after having conservative rule for 18 years - they never knew any different. They wanted change.

Thing is its 10 nearly 11 years since labour came to power and 18 and 19 year olds cant remember what it was like under a conservative government because who took notice of politics at the age of 8/9 you were more interested in your bike or your playstation etc.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

who took notice of politics at the age of 8/9

Me. I was out selling the Red Flag, just as soon as I'd sold all my matches, and the odd nose gay.

[shillelagh]

Ok i will admit at the age of 13 i was leafleting and helping out on polling day, 14 typing the minutes, 15 canvassing, but at the age of 8 and 9 i wasnt bothered about politics i just wanted to play on my bike, play on the brickyard and try and go home clean, go for picnics up to the waterfall... mind you at the age of 13 i wasnt right bothered either its just that sisters are quite handy at bribery and when that didnt work blackmail ....

[claytonender]

Maybe Blazey would like to explain David Cameron's pledge to end Housing Market Renewal as per the Telegraph on Monday 25 February.
We Would Get Rid Of Elevate Hints Cameron (from Lancashire Telegraph)

This smacks of back to Maggie Thatcher, no investment in East Lancashire.

There is a very good anti Tory slogan on Facebook, but unfortunately it is not printable on here. It reminds people what they did to the ordinary working man and woman in this country in their 18 years of rule and that they will do it again, if they get back into power.

Do you really want to go back to the Thatcher years?

In May 1955 (when I was 9) there was a general election. I asked my dad what each party stood for and the differences between them. He explained the differences to me - and said that I should always remember that the Torys were only interested in peopel with money and that there would only ever be one party for the working man, and that was Labour. I have always remembered this and knew that once I got the vote (which was at 21), I would vote Labour and have always done so.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by blazey

Everyone loves the Conservative Party really,

anyone with half a brain cell buying that is dafter n blazey, she's got yas again. SUCKERS.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by claytonender

Maybe Blazey would like to explain David Cameron's pledge to end Housing Market Renewal as per the Telegraph on Monday 25 February.
We Would Get Rid Of Elevate Hints Cameron (from Lancashire Telegraph)

This smacks of back to Maggie Thatcher, no investment in East Lancashire.

There is a very good anti Tory slogan on Facebook, but unfortunately it is not printable on here. It reminds people what they did to the ordinary working man and woman in this country in their 18 years of rule and that they will do it again, if they get back into power.

Do you really want to go back to the Thatcher years?

In May 1955 (when I was 9) there was a general election. I asked my dad what each party stood for and the differences between them. He explained the differences to me - and said that I should always remember that the Torys were only interested in peopel with money and that there would only ever be one party for the working man, and that was Labour. I have always remembered this and knew that once I got the vote (which was at 21), I would vote Labour and have always done so.

If you read it he says it simply needs looking at on a case by case basis. Personally I think elevate is a enormous waste of money. It costs so much more to demolish buildings only to rebuild them with lower quality materials which won't stand the test of time. It's much cheaper to simply completely redo the insides and repair the existing house.

I don't think its the right idea to stick with a party because of what they were like in 1955. In the same way that I don't think people should not vote for a party because of what they did in the 1980's. If you think New Labour are for the working man, you're rather misguided. The wealth gap is the biggest in 40 years. Both parties are gunning for the middle class, because that's where all the votes are.

We don't need another Thatcher, because times aren't as extreme, our economy isn't falling over, we're not at the mercy of unelected trade unions. People talk about Europe taking the sovereignty of parliament, well back before Thatcher the Unions were taking the sovereignty of parliament. Most of the workers didn't even want to strike, they were forced to.

How about when she allowed everyone to buy their OWN house by purchasing the council house they lived in for cheaper than market value? Is this not for the working man?

Is our country not reaping the benefits of her reforms? Have we not just had 16 years of uninterrupted economic growth? Are you not living remarkably better off than 30 years ago?

She did what was necessary to turn our country around, something Labour couldn't do whilst being crippled by the unions and it's socialist unworkable policy, which I remind you gave Thatcher her biggest landslide victory. You need a strong economy, because you can redistribute the wealth to those who need it. She wouldn't be needed in the current age, thats why Cameron isn't a Thatcherite.

[andrewb]

David Cameron wants to:

• Remove stamp duty for 9/10 first time buyers. Helping younger people, who aren't as well off, get onto the housing ladder.
  
• They want to save the NHS. Stop the closures of A&E's and maternity wards.
  
• Raise the basic state pension. Again this will help those who need it, not the wealthy.
  
• Cut paperwork and get more policy on the streets. Police should be able to do their job!
  
• Help people into jobs and cut benefits for those who won't work.

These are just a few. Are they really bad ideas and have no effect on the average man, you and me?

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

If you read it he says it simply needs looking at on a case by case basis. Personally I think elevate is a enormous waste of money. It costs so much more to demolish buildings only to rebuild them with lower quality materials which won't stand the test of time. It's much cheaper to simply completely redo the insides and repair the existing house.

I don't think its the right idea to stick with a party because of what they were like in 1955. In the same way that I don't think people should not vote for a party because of what they did in the 1980's. If you think New Labour are for the working man, you're rather misguided. The wealth gap is the biggest in 40 years. Both parties are gunning for the middle class, because that's where all the votes are.

We don't need another Thatcher, because times aren't as extreme, our economy isn't falling over, we're not at the mercy of unelected trade unions. People talk about Europe taking the sovereignty of parliament, well back before Thatcher the Unions were taking the sovereignty of parliament. Most of the workers didn't even want to strike, they were forced to.

How about when she allowed everyone to buy their OWN house by purchasing the council house they lived in for cheaper than market value? Is this not for the working man?

Is our country not reaping the benefits of her reforms? Have we not just had 16 years of uninterrupted economic growth? Are you not living remarkably better off than 30 years ago?

She did what was necessary to turn our country around, something Labour couldn't do whilst being crippled by the unions and it's socialist unworkable policy, which I remind you gave Thatcher her biggest landslide victory. You need a strong economy, because you can redistribute the wealth to those who need it. She wouldn't be needed in the current age, thats why Cameron isn't a Thatcherite.

I know that all your opinions are gained from reading etc, as you did not live throught he Thatcher years, I am speaking as one who did and was made redundant twice.

So what about the hugh profits the privatised industries (Tory Policy) are making? The ridculous increases in gas and electricity prices are hitting the most vunerable members of our society most.

It is a matter of opinion, whether Thatcher, did turn the country round - making 1000's loose their jobs was completely unacceptable. I hope you never get made redundant, but I can tell you that it makes feel worthless. Also what about the 'Lost Generation' of man and women, who never had a chance of a proper job when they left school - 12 months on YTS then assigned to the scrapeheap, because there was a new infulx of school leavers to fill the posts.

What about the link between pensions and wages that Thatcher abolished - this means that every pensioner in this country is being paid much less than they should be.

Speaking personally I am not living better off than I would have been 30 years ago.

We are still living with Thatcher's legacy - the way employers got used to treating people, is still with us.

Maybe you think that we should not have holiday pay, as a right - the Tories certainly didn't think we should.

The Tories will always look after their own as they always have. Cameron is no different.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by claytonender

I know that all your opinions are gained from reading etc, as you did not live throught he Thatcher years, I am speaking as one who did and was made redundant twice.

So what about the hugh profits the privatised industries (Tory Policy) are making? The ridculous increases in gas and electricity prices are hitting the most vunerable members of our society most.

You make the assumption that if it as nationalised it would still be making all that money and we could just pump it back into the country?

That's not how it works in practice though, competition drives prices down, national monopolies don't. If competition is failing because the gas/electricity companies are acting illegally then this needs to be acted on because a private monopoly is just as bad as a public one.

What about the link between pensions and wages that Thatcher abolished - this means that every pensioner in this country is being paid much less than they should be.

Speaking personally I am not living better off than I would have been 30 years ago.

10 years of Labour government hasn't turned that around though has it?

We are still living with Thatcher's legacy - the way employers got used to treating people, is still with us.

Maybe you think that we should not have holiday pay, as a right - the Tories certainly didn't think we should.

The Tories will always look after their own as they always have. Cameron is no different.

I certainly do think we should have holiday pay. I also think the companies would want us to have holiday pay, its in their interests to give people relief and relaxation. It gives better productivity. Employers have to be VERY careful so I don't really understand your point. After watching several employment tribunals it's quite clear to me they can't do what they want because it'll cost them a lot of money to do it!

When you talk of 'looking after their own' who do you mean? Thatcher and Cameron are from completely different backgrounds. I know Cameron is incredibly wealthy, went to Eton, Oxford, had a very privilaged background. However theres more to him than face value. I'd recommend 'Cameron' by Francies Elliott & James Hanning to you. It might change your opinion on him, or then again it might not. I can lend it to you if you want.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by claytonender

So what about the hugh profits the privatised industries (Tory Policy) are making? The ridculous increases in gas and electricity prices are hitting the most vunerable members of our society most.

Totally agree, so could you tell us what the present Labour government are doing about it? Yes, it was Tory policy, but the "party for the working man" are doing a remarkably good job in perpetuating that policy!

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Totally agree, so could you tell us what the present Labour government are doing about it? Yes, it was Tory policy, but the "party for the working man" are doing a remarkably good job in perpetuating that policy!

One of the few remaining nationalised 'industries' (beside Labour's latest addition - Northern Rock) is the NHS, just look at the amount of money that is wasting due to mis-management.