"Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe - Page 14

jaysay · 29-02-2008, 12:14

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Originally Posted by Neil

One of the few remaining nationalised 'industries' (beside Labour's latest addition - Northern Rock) is the NHS, just look at the amount of money that is wasting due to mis-management.

Hear Hear Neil, a man with sense

Neil · 29-02-2008, 13:24

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Hear Hear Neil, a man with sense

shhhh, people will get the wrong idea of me

garinda · 29-02-2008, 15:40

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Hear Hear Neil, a man with sense

...or a fellow natuaral conservative.

There's one thing, Jaysay my old mucker, without the N.H.S., intoduced by the post-war Labour government, me and thee, with our assorted illnesses, would be well and truly up the proverbial creek.

As we both know no health insurance companies would take on patients with long term, incurable, illnesses.

Neil · 29-02-2008, 17:03

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Originally Posted by garinda

...or a fellow natuaral conservative.

There's one thing, Jaysay my old mucker, without the N.H.S., intoduced by the post-war Labour government, me and thee, with our assorted illnesses, would be well and truly up the proverbial creek.

As we both know no health insurance companies would take on patients with long term, incurable, illnesses.

I did not say the NHS was a bad thing, or course it is not. I said it was mis managed like the majority of nationalised industries were/are.

jaysay · 29-02-2008, 17:34

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Originally Posted by Neil

I did not say the NHS was a bad thing, or course it is not. I said it was mis managed like the majority of nationalised industries were/are.

Hear Hear Neil and sod Rindi

g jones · 29-02-2008, 17:55

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Hear Hear Neil and sod Rindi

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jaysay · 29-02-2008, 18:08

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Originally Posted by g jones

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Couldn't care less Graham, I leave private health care to champagne socialist, I'll stick with the NHS like I've always done, just hope it don't kill me in the process

panther · 29-02-2008, 18:14

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

David Cameron wants to:

Remove stamp duty for 9/10 first time buyers. Helping younger people, who aren't as well off, get onto the housing ladder.
They want to save the NHS. Stop the closures of A&E's and maternity wards.
Raise the basic state pension. Again this will help those who need it, not the wealthy.
Cut paperwork and get more policy on the streets. Police should be able to do their job!
Help people into jobs and cut benefits for those who won't work.

These are just a few. Are they really bad ideas and have no effect on the average man, you and me?

yeh yeh we had heard it all before

....same bull****, they say they gonna do this, gonna do that, but do they?........

Neil · 29-02-2008, 18:27

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Originally Posted by g jones

Other policies are $1100 per month!!!

You are missing the point Graham. I did not say the NHS was bad just that it is badly managed.

Here are some interesting maths for you.

Population of the UK is approx 60 million
NHS budget for 2008 is £90 billion

90 billion / 60 million = £1500 per year per person in the UK.

£1500 / 12 months = £125

A quote for me on that zip code game to $315.88 which according to Google is £159 per month.

I agree you would pay more in the States for your health care but £35 per month is not that much more is it? Just think of all the waiting around we do waiting to be seen by consultants and how late all our appointments often are (due to poor management)

Please don't forget that the NHS is not free. We pay for it out of taxes. Maybe we should have the option to opt out and pay for private healthcare instead but that is for another debate.

Neil · 29-02-2008, 18:37

Sorry for the above thread wander folks.

I think we were talking about truth and honesty in politics.

On that subject I had best go before I accuse one of Graham's Labour Councillor's of lying to me. I suppose lie is a little strong.
How would you describe someone who tells you they will do one thing and then does the opposite?

Untrustworthy?
Dishonest?
Unreliable?
Deceitful?

Talking about honest and trust worthy I must take my hat of to Tony Dobson, well done that man.

jaysay · 29-02-2008, 18:46

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Originally Posted by Neil

Sorry for the above thread wander folks.

I think we were talking about truth and honesty in politics.

On that subject I had best go before I accuse one of Graham's Labour Councillor's of lying to me. I suppose lie is a little strong.
How would you describe someone who tells you they will do one thing and then does the opposite?

Untrustworthy?
Dishonest?
Unreliable?
Deceitful?

Talking about honest and trust worthy I must take my hat of to Tony Dobson, well done that man.

I'd say unreliable myself Neil,

and my hats of to TD as well

claytonender · 29-02-2008, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Neil

Talking about honest and trust worthy I must take my hat of to Tony Dobson, well done that man.

Why must you take your hat off to Tony Dobson - what has he done that is so wonderful?

Also in case you have a bad case of amnesia - it was the Tory government who introduced the many layers of 'management' into the NHS when they thought up the idea of the internal market.

Despite the figures quoted, the NHS remains free at the point of use. No one is turned away because they can not afford medical treatment. I hate to think how much anyone with a serious long term medical condition would be charged by a medical insurance company.

The all ethos of the Welfare State is from each according to his means to each according to their needs. I wonder if you can name one 'Tory' policy that has benefited so many people for almost 60 years. (in case you forgot - the NHS came into being on 5/7/1948).

Contrast this with Thacher, who said there is no such thing as society, she really did believe in devil take the hindmost.

Wynonie Harris · 29-02-2008, 21:07

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Originally Posted by claytonender

Also in case you have a bad case of amnesia - it was the Tory government who introduced the many layers of 'management' into the NHS when they thought up the idea of the internal market.

So, why is the present government not reversing this policy? In fact, why is it continuing the work of the Tories by introducing ever more layers of bureacracy and involving more private companies in the NHS?

Because, the likes of Gordon Brown and Tony Blair are no more "the friends of the working man" than Margaret Thatcher was!

g jones · 29-02-2008, 21:27

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Couldn't care less Graham, I leave private health care to champagne socialist, I'll stick with the NHS like I've always done, just hope it don't kill me in the process

Do you have to be a pillock every day of your life Jaysay???? I thought it interesting as it is sometimes too easy to knock the NHS.

Champagne Socialist, Red Robbo, Narcissist, Not a socialist, Loony Left, communist. What is it? An insult a month? You provide good entertainment value if nothing else.

andrewb · 29-02-2008, 22:29

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Originally Posted by g jones

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Get health insurance and medical care options that meet your needs from United ... UnitedHealthcare EDGEsm is a new way to save up to 25% on health coverage ...

See how much private health will cost your family US STYLE!!!

You beed a ZIP Code first ( i picked Brooklyn Bedford Stuyvesant - Crown Heights 11212,)
NYC Neighborhood ZIP Code Definitions

HERE"S YOUR 'GET A QUOTE' LINK
https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi...allid=Gol23570

BLO*DY HELL!!!!
3 of us. Couple plus teenage son the cheapest montgh quote is $946 (about £500 PER MONTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Other policies are $1100 per month!!!

How much do you pay in income tax alone per month? The average UK salary is 22k which is around £400 a month tax. The cost of insurance for a 29 year old non-smoker is £158 from that link.

Now average US salary is 18k which would mean they pay £225 in income tax a month. So £225 + £158 = £383

Not much difference really? Except we have to pay National Insurance, VAT (17.5% opposed to the 0% in US) and all the stealth taxes Labour like to crank up.