"Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe - Page 4

g jones · 16-02-2008, 23:20

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Originally Posted by katex

Think it might be me actually (or one another) Did hear this remark, but cannot remember the exact dialogue that led up to it .. was a long meeting with regard to the proposal of the Hyndburn name change.

It was obvious that the proposal was losing ground and think Cllr.Britcliffe was probably getting a little peavish at this stage as he was in a corner, and nowhere else for him to go. Insults abounded throughout the meeting, lots of them personal which were extremely amusing (he does have a dry sense of humour.. should be a stand up comedian).

Don't think accusing this lady Councillor of not being able to string three words together is a big deal (my goodness, three, that many ! ..

) only banter, just the 'Silly Cow' bit. More mouthed than anything. Seemed all part of the proceedings to me. Wasn't said heatedly at all .. just an aside. Perhaps he should have been a little more careful, but was said in an amusing way.

Said it before, but Graham Jones ignored his gibes all night .. and just got on with it.. best way.

Storm in a teacup.

I agree totally Katex. I think my point wasn't the fracas itself which was a particularly low part of a discusion (which your right, I thought was childish at times and ignored).

My point was when acused, Clr Britcliffe said he never said it 'not in his vocabulary', and 30-40 people did actually hear/see him say it.

It's the constant lies. No-one is holding him to account.

Wynonnie, Teabags, JaySay are entitled to their opinion. I don't share it. Perhaps if they attended the meetings their personal criticisms would carry more weight and they could meet Labour members in person.

g jones · 16-02-2008, 23:23

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

No, you're not, but I will never quite understand why your opinions on this present government should be shrouded in such an eternal air of mystery. Never mind, perhaps one day you'll feel able to share your feelings with us!

Why are you always so smug about your own opinion and feel in neccessary to chip away undermining other people personally?

I think people switch off to any good points you could contribute and that's a shame.

cashman · 16-02-2008, 23:25

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Originally Posted by g jones

Wynonnie, Teabags, JaySay are entitled to their opinion. I don't share it. Perhaps if they attended the meetings their personal criticisms would carry more weight and they could meet Labour members in person.

why have things changed that much? way back when attending meetings did not have much influence if any.

Wynonie Harris · 16-02-2008, 23:49

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Originally Posted by g jones

Why are you always so smug about your own opinion and feel in neccessary to chip away undermining other people personally?

At least I have my own opinion and I'm not afraid to express it. The policies of this present government on anything and everything from law & order to the war in Iraq are aired on this forum on an almost daily basis. We rarely see any opinions from you or Gayle on these matters and you are the ones who should have more of an opinion than most, as paid-up members of the Labour party...or are you taking Gayle's sitting-on-the-fence line ("I've never said I supported the Labour government...and I've never said I don't.")?

cashman · 17-02-2008, 00:03

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Originally Posted by g jones

Why are you always so smug about your own opinion and feel in neccessary to chip away undermining other people personally?

I think people switch off to any good points you could contribute and that's a shame.

attack is often quoted as the best form of defence,could well apply to you graham, whilst skillfully sidestepping far more important issues than name calling.

shillelagh · 17-02-2008, 00:18

Why do labour supporters have to always agree with whats happening in government and conservative supporters always have to agree with whats going on at local level?

I dont always agree with stuff thats going on with the political party i support so why should i have to do it on here.

andrewb · 17-02-2008, 00:32

Speaking of council meetings, where can I find out when they're held and is it simply a case of just turning up?

cashman · 17-02-2008, 00:37

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Originally Posted by Cyfr

Speaking of council meetings, where can I find out when they're held and is it simply a case of just turning up?

normally you can just turn up cyfr, dont know when they are,i gave up wi em 30 yrs ago.

shillelagh · 17-02-2008, 00:54

Agendas, reports and minutes

There you are cyfr

Madhatter · 17-02-2008, 04:50

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

Why do labour supporters have to always agree with whats happening in government and conservative supporters always have to agree with whats going on at local level?

I dont always agree with stuff thats going on with the political party i support so why should i have to do it on here.

This is the problem with going with a party at local level. Some people are obsessed with bringing national politics to a local level. Just because a councillor is labour at a local level does not mean she has to agree with or even have an opinion on politics at a national level.
I have very little interest other than local. In fact I think at local level it has less to do with politics these days and more to do with who you get on with as to which party you join, or that's what seems to happen here.

Acrylic-bob · 17-02-2008, 07:42

In the rough and tumble of combative political debate a great many things are said that are not necessarily accurate or personally affirmative. A quick mouthing of "silly cow" and the suggestion that one could barely string together coherent sentence seems to me pretty much low grade banter. As members well know I have no partiular liking for the leader of the council, but I must say that all this strikes me as very much a storm in an egg cup. A great deal of time and not a little public money has been expended on this petulant complaint. I am not surprised that the Standards Board has thrown it out.

If Cllr McCormack is going to take umbrage at every percieved sleight then perhaps it is time that she considered whether a life in local politics is really her forte; either that or toughen up and learn to give as good as she gets.

As for Britcliffe, one would have thought that a man in his position would know how to behave in public. That he so very clearly does not, points, yet again, to his unsuitability for the job.

Neither of the principals in this affair come out of it very well but, as usual, it is the borough that will suffer by being saddled with a council which, rather than getting on with the job they were elected to perform, prefer to squabble and fight like cats in a bag. And then, they have the gall to wonder that people do not want to become engaged with politics.

I despair!

the real michael · 17-02-2008, 07:42

big deal... some over the hill fat faced remedial speaks its mind ... whats wrong with that? when people call for the sacking of anyone who speaks his (or her) mind it goes to show how thick the complainers are! we cant tell the truth.. we cant smoke
we cant say ****... or queer .. or bellittle anyone for offending these incredibly retarded idiots who complain about what others say, yet in reality its the complainers who should be stood on like the cockroaches they are.... people who complain of others social etiquette hide even bigger sins
and just to throw off any suspicion , try to look like a good person by objecting to anything that can be referred to as "offensive" very sad and pretentious...

these peoples judgements are worthless, even GOD doesnt judge on
what is said, he judges on what has been DONE, this means that if it was up to the ill informed low esteemed tards to force conformity onto us, eventually they would have
to sack and condemn themselves too because if everyone had a vioce recorder permenantly switched on, i will guarantee 100% that everyone will say something others
will find offensive, and in perspective to their tiny egos...will have signed their own death warrant, and lets speak the truth here, thats a very retarded thing to do.

I too would like to know how the patter went because if she wasnt what he said then why didnt she come back with a better
retort ...was it because the fat old fart had a piont?

In order to give perfect judgement one thing is paramount, the TRUTH ...
if the truth offends you , your not as smart as your delusion makes you beleive...
communication will lead to world peace and restore harmony to the universe
shutting people up and oppressing opinions that dont agree with you will
result in global war ... and considering all the information i hold regarding the eventual
downfall and rapture of every living thing on earth i think that to condemn a man for speaking his mind (NO MATTER HOW SENILE HE IS) is pure evil, and evil is pure DUMB

jaysay · 17-02-2008, 10:34

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Originally Posted by shillelagh

Why do labour supporters have to always agree with whats happening in government and conservative supporters always have to agree with whats going on at local level?

I dont always agree with stuff thats going on with the political party i support so why should i have to do it on here.

Having been involved in politics for a very long time, although not now, I have to say shillelagh that unfortunately you can't really pick and choose, sins at Westminster come back to haunt local politicians. Back in 1990 I was totally against the poll tax, but it made no difference locally, politicians are tared with the same brush both locall and nationally, which I am sure even Cllr Graham Jones will agree with. I have often been of the opionion, that local services would be far better if they were not based on a political bias, but unfortunatley this will never happen. Because people are Labour or Tory should make no difference, for I have often subscribed to the fact that there are people on all sides of the political divide who have something to offer. Now I am out of it, and I mean well out of it, I can sit back and say anything I want. So I will make a sweeping statement, if Cllrs Jones and Britcliffe could bury the hatchet (and not in each others heads) Hyndburn would be the big winner, but I'm not holding my breath, because there is so much bitter personal hatred between them the hatchet in he scull is favourite

Wynonie Harris · 17-02-2008, 10:38

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Originally Posted by g jones

Why are you always so smug about your own opinion and feel in neccessary to chip away undermining other people personally?

I think people switch off to any good points you could contribute and that's a shame.

And this from someone who has called people "idiots" and worse on this forum for daring to disagree with him!

As for whether or not people "switch off" to my contributions, I really wouldn't know as I can't read the minds of other Accywebbers. Possibly, you, Graham, are gifted with a higher power!

Gayle · 17-02-2008, 11:31

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

At least I have my own opinion and I'm not afraid to express it. The policies of this present government on anything and everything from law & order to the war in Iraq are aired on this forum on an almost daily basis. We rarely see any opinions from you or Gayle on these matters and you are the ones who should have more of an opinion than most, as paid-up members of the Labour party...or are you taking Gayle's sitting-on-the-fence line ("I've never said I supported the Labour government...and I've never said I don't.")?

I have many opinions Wynonie which I air on here almost every day. If I choose not to air an opinion on a subject it is usually because I either have no opinion at all, or I can see both sides of the argument in which case posting would be arguing against myself or simply because it's none of your business.

I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by continually pressing for my views on everything the Labour party has ever done. Are my views to you so important that they would affect the way you think of things - of course not! So why does it matter?

I have never claimed to be the oracle for the Labour party in the area, I only express my own opinion! If I don't have one then I can't be forced into creating one just for your satisfaction.

But just for you, Wynonie, here are links to threads where I have expressed an opinion.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...mps-36873.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ncy-36871.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...aim-36687.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ins-36750.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ict-31337.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...m-p-36502.html

All of these are posts that are about national or local politics and on all of them I express an opinion.
Is that enough for you or would you like me to find some more?