"Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Neither of the principals in this affair come out of it very well but, as usual, it is the borough that will suffer by being saddled with a council which, rather than getting on with the job they were elected to perform, prefer to squabble and fight like cats in a bag. And then, they have the gall to wonder that people do not want to become engaged with politics.

I despair!

that is the nail hit squarely on the head, also the reason i ceased going their meetings 30 odd yrs ago,nothing changes,mainly silly people full of their own self-importance.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Gayle

I have many opinions Wynonie which I air on here almost every day. If I choose not to air an opinion on a subject it is usually because I either have no opinion at all, or I can see both sides of the argument in which case posting would be arguing against myself or simply because it's none of your business.

I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by continually pressing for my views on everything the Labour party has ever done. Are my views to you so important that they would affect the way you think of things - of course not! So why does it matter?

I have never claimed to be the oracle for the Labour party in the area, I only express my own opinion! If I don't have one then I can't be forced into creating one just for your satisfaction.


But just for you, Wynonie, here are links to threads where I have expressed an opinion.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...mps-36873.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ncy-36871.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...aim-36687.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ins-36750.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ict-31337.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...m-p-36502.html


All of these are posts that are about national or local politics and on all of them I express an opinion.
Is that enough for you or would you like me to find some more?

I my experience it is useless trying to change anyones opinion, where a political view is held. For instance it is futile for anyone canvasing to knock on a door which has, say a Labour or Conservative poster in the window, although I have sometimes just called on Tory voters just so we don't take them for granted. But say for me to call on a known labour supporter would be daft or the other way round. A young eager campaigner was once on the knocker with me and said he was going to try and change someones mind, so I let him, half an hour latter he had no success, I then informed him he had just lasted very valuable time, I doubt if he's done it since.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Gayle

I have many opinions Wynonie which I air on here almost every day. If I choose not to air an opinion on a subject it is usually because I either have no opinion at all, or I can see both sides of the argument in which case posting would be arguing against myself or simply because it's none of your business.

I'm not sure what you hope to achieve by continually pressing for my views on everything the Labour party has ever done. Are my views to you so important that they would affect the way you think of things - of course not! So why does it matter?

I have never claimed to be the oracle for the Labour party in the area, I only express my own opinion! If I don't have one then I can't be forced into creating one just for your satisfaction.


But just for you, Wynonie, here are links to threads where I have expressed an opinion.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...mps-36873.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ncy-36871.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...aim-36687.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ins-36750.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ict-31337.html

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...m-p-36502.html


All of these are posts that are about national or local politics and on all of them I express an opinion.
Is that enough for you or would you like me to find some more?

Yes, I am aware of your posts on all these issues, Gayle, and, as you know I gave you positive karma for one of them. However, it seems to me that when the big issues of the day like the government's policies on law & order or the invasion of Iraq are discussed, you don't seem to want to contribute your views.

I would also like to point out that the reason I'm so eager to hear your views is that, although I don't always agree with them, I find your opinions thoughtful, insightful and interesting. There have even been occasions where you've made me reconsider my own position - surely the mark of a skilled debater.

But you're right, I can't force you to give your views and, as I'm obviously getting on your nerves, this is my last word on the subject and I shall pester you for your opinions no more!

[garinda]

It is a churlish and petty insult, but I wonder what name he would have used if the councillor had been male?

Never mind slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, it just sounds terribly camp to me, having more in common with Larry Grayson, that the quick political wit of Winston Churchill.

[katex]

Originally Posted by garinda

It is a churlish and petty insult, but I wonder what name he would have used if the councillor had been male?

Never mind slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, it just sounds terribly camp to me, having more in common with Larry Grayson, that the quick political wit of Winston Churchill.

Yes, was very camp Garinda .. didn't like to say that myself for fear of offending...

Thought just tactics .. you know, the old joke when people are just about to hit a golf ball and your opponent farts or summat to put you off your stroke ..

Think Wynonie and Gayle ought to get a room ! Although Gayle .. he does appear to stalk you quite a lot ..

[Margaret Pilkington]

Why have none of the witnesses to this tawdry insult come forward and shown this (petty) man up for what he is?
Surely they can't all be subject to a gagging order. If I had heard him say something like that and then he had denied it I would be telling anyone who would listen.....the fact that he has been accused of such a thing does nothing for his credibility.

[Gayle]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

But you're right, I can't force you to give your views and, as I'm obviously getting on your nerves, this is my last word on the subject and I shall pester you for your opinions no more!

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...w-32150-2.html

Comment on Iraq!

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Gayle

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...w-32150-2.html

Comment on Iraq!

Alright, Gayle, you win! Now let me go back to the pub and brood about Stanley!

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Why have none of the witnesses to this tawdry insult come forward and shown this (petty) man up for what he is?
Surely they can't all be subject to a gagging order. If I had heard him say something like that and then he had denied it I would be telling anyone who would listen.....the fact that he has been accused of such a thing does nothing for his credibility.

It's not so much that he said it but that he denied having said it that affects his credibility in my opinion. If he had either admitted to having said it and apologised or even admitted to having said it and confirmed that he still stood by his convictions I would think no less of him - but to deny having said something that he was witnessed saying just undermines his credibility.

[yerself]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

If he can't come on here and argue in favour of the present Labour government that you both supposedly support

Originally Posted by Gayle

You can say that as often as you like Wynonie but it will never be true.

Looks like she's a closet Tory Wynonie.

[g jones]

I get called worse. At the last Tory election meeting (The Monday Club) the first topic was me! That's life. You have to be held accountable.

My real issue with this is denial afterwards. If it was a one off, ok fine I can live and forget about it. If there was doubt because no-one was present fine.

[cashman]

my issue is the petty squabbling that has always gone on n will never stop,that stops people taking an interest n its ALL parties, normally moderates feel like, i aint gonna say owt cos of the gob heads, n that is applicable to many meetings,not just council. having been guilty myself of being a gob head long ago, i defy you to say this is wrong.

[MargaretR]

Some people enter local politics for the betterment of their community -- some just do it for the prestige and power.
It is up to us to decide their motives when we vote.
None of them are in it for the allowances - thats for sure

[Bagpuss]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Graham Jones doing something useful, maybe

Another cheap dig, although I do not share Mr Jones politics, here in the peel ward we are very happy with him in regards to his work as our local councillor, I just wish he would stick to what he is good at.

[cashman]

gone again,how strange.