"Silly Cow" Clr Britcliffe

[panther]

oooooookay, thanks for putting that right

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Madhatter

No Panther I'm the one with a friend

LOL are you sure or are you talking about another forum?

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

I think the general feeling is that we are all too well aware of Britcliffe's unorthodox relationship with the truth

That appears to be the norm in politics now.

I think it was petty complaining about the comment, I also think the comment should not have been made. In the game of politics there appears to be lots of name calling and mud slinging. It almost sounds like fun

I must say I have spoken to Collette McCormack several times and would not class her as a 'silly cow'.

[blazey]

All politicians lie, but I still insist on voting for someone.

As for being a 'friend' of britcliffe, I'm not his friend, he probably doesn't even remember my name but I met him when he came to visit the new shop I worked at in Ossy and he was a very nice man.

He's lying to save his own skin and humiliation, I don't think I know someone who hasn't ever lied before, and many of them have told similar blatant lies. Doesn't necessarily means I should not stand by them or enjoy their company. In fact, anyone who says they never lie is themselves blatantly lying. It isn't possible to not ever lie, even if they are white lies (is that still pc?).

I wasn't there, I don't know exactly what set him off, but what I do know is that nobody says something like that without being provoked by something, and I know is that he is only human, even if being a politician makes him a bad one

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

He's a politican.

Though how he failed to get elected to Westminster, more than once, is a mystery.

Gerrymandering Rindi, Gerrymandring

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by blazey

I wasn't there, I don't know exactly what set him off, but what I do know is that nobody says something like that without being provoked by something, and I know is that he is only human, even if being a politician makes him a bad one

What set him off, was that the Labour Party had proposed an amendment (to his motion) that the proprosed name of the borough should be the subject of a referendum on May 1st. When this amendement was defeated (by a recorded vote), the Labour Party then tabled an amendment that there should be a vote on the name change.

To say he was incandescent this putting it mildly, when the Labour Party were only expressing the views of the electorate. Because he was so angry he decided to make a very rude (and uncalled for comment) to the only Labour Party councillor for Oswaldtwistle.

If you want to defend him , thats fine. But he is lying when he says he did not make the insulting remark.

As for your views on women being able to vote, you are obviously living in the wrong century. I regard it as my civic duty to vote - many people fought very hard for universal suffrage in this country.

[katex]

Just as an addition to this, noticed there will be a piece in the Observer tomorrow, and Cllr. Britcliffe said that he had asked people sat near to him if they heard this remark. They all replied in the negative .. nowt to do with the fact that the people were all Conservative councillors of course..

Not that he speaks very loudly mind you, but if Claytonender and I heard it from the balcony, surely they heard it from the floor !?!?!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by katex

Just as an addition to this, noticed there will be a piece in the Observer tomorrow, and Cllr. Britcliffe said that he had asked people sat near to him if they heard this remark. They all replied in the negative .. nowt to do with the fact that the people were all Conservative councillors of course..

Not that he speaks very loudly mind you, but if Claytonender and I heard it from the balcony, surely they heard it from the floor !?!?!

well its a case of they all P*** in the same pot,

[katex]

Originally Posted by cashman

well its a case of they all P*** in the same pot,

You have such a way with words Cashy .. but makes me laugh ...

[g jones]

Originally Posted by katex

Just as an addition to this, noticed there will be a piece in the Observer tomorrow, and Cllr. Britcliffe said that he had asked people sat near to him if they heard this remark. They all replied in the negative .. nowt to do with the fact that the people were all Conservative councillors of course..

Not that he speaks very loudly mind you, but if Claytonender and I heard it from the balcony, surely they heard it from the floor !?!?!

"Banana republic" comes to mind. It just makes you want to get out of politics. It's full of people who tell lies and are corrupt (Hyndburn is a lot more corrupt than even the cynical would guess at) and full of people like Teabags and Whineonnie who will defend anything for political advantage.

If you change your mind, speak your mind and they don't agree, stand up for honesty, rather than discuss the issue they are straight down your throat. I am just ordinary person who works hard. Criticism fair enough. Honesty and fair play, that's an ever decreasing number of people.

Thank you Katex. You have highlighted 'from the shop floor", to what extent this administration will lie. You are not a supporter of mine, but at least turned up, not like the 2 moaning whingers above, and given me credit for doing what people ask. Being honest, working hard, trying hard to not get involved in slanging. Sticking to the issues in a way that people want them stuck to.

Katex. It's up to you but I believe it's your duty as an ordinary person to write to the Observer and tell things as you saw them. Not because Silly Cow even merits a letter, but a whole cabinet of Conservatives lying is very worrying and deserves comment.

Cashman, I honestly believe you get the politicians you ask for. I would like to meet with you at the one of the do's. You may realise that your cynicism does hurt and only the thick skinned, untruthful ones, benefit and survive from your comments!! To those that care, I am lying if I said the personal and unfounded criticism doesn't hurt.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by cashman

i know all councillors are "NOT" a waste of time,that is not my beef,never will be,what i am saying is you can never get em all to work together, sad but true, ya will learn that if you keep going to em, you may view that as negative, your right, i view it as fact.

well it shouldn,t be hurting you,as you fall into the "NOT" category from my standpoint but i maintain theres a fair proportion that dont.

[cashman]

Cashman, I honestly believe you get the politicians you ask for----------you really hit the nail on the head with that, New Labour was spawned by the ME ME ME, brigade inspired by Thatcher years ago,and the gullible british public are to blame for that. unfortunately real socialism is dead n buried.

[Gayle]

And sad though it is to admit it, this is one of the reasons why I'm actually glad that I wasn't elected.

When I stood, I had this grand vision that Councillors actually worked together for the greater good of the Borough. Even before the election itself two years ago I had insights that this wasn't the case and clearly it still isn't.

Now I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush because I'm currently working with two councillors on one project - both are from opposite sides of the divide and both are lovely, helpful and dedicated, they are both very committed to working together.

I also come in to contact with others who are helpful and willing to muck in.

But what I'm seeing cheapens the whole political process. Yes, Britcliffe shouldn't have said what he said and I agree that lying after the event is wrong but surely this shouldn't have been taken to the complaints procedure in the first place. By taking something like this to the complaints panel it completely undermines the rest of the work that is going on in the borough - it's had more discussion on here than the Accrington Masterplan and it's had equal coverage in the papers! What message is this sending to anyone?

So, Wynonie, if you were to ask me right now which political party I supported I would sadly have to report NONE!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Gayle

And sad though it is to admit it, this is one of the reasons why I'm actually glad that I wasn't elected.

When I stood, I had this grand vision that Councillors actually worked together for the greater good of the Borough. Even before the election itself two years ago I had insights that this wasn't the case and clearly it still isn't.

Now I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush because I'm currently working with two councillors on one project - both are from opposite sides of the divide and both are lovely, helpful and dedicated, they are both very committed to working together.

I also come in to contact with others who are helpful and willing to muck in.

But what I'm seeing cheapens the whole political process. Yes, Britcliffe shouldn't have said what he said and I agree that lying after the event is wrong but surely this shouldn't have been taken to the complaints procedure in the first place. By taking something like this to the complaints panel it completely undermines the rest of the work that is going on in the borough - it's had more discussion on here than the Accrington Masterplan and it's had equal coverage in the papers! What message is this sending to anyone?

So, Wynonie, if you were to ask me right now which political party I supported I would sadly have to report NONE!

Gayle, I can honestly say that your last posts is one of the best you have every put on this web site, your reasoning has come up in my estimation, and I can honestly say I agree with every word you have said, all that is upto the last, having been a member of the Tory Party since I was 16 years old I am to stuck in my ways now to change, but that is not saying that I always agree with my own party policy at both national and local levels. I think I said earlier in this thread the local government would be better served by all councilors working together, just because a councillor is Labour or Tory doesn't mean that they don't both have good ideas. Alas, whilest we have councillors on both sides who are hell bent on scoring political points instead of getting on with the job in hand, the status quo will prevail

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Gayle

And sad though it is to admit it, this is one of the reasons why I'm actually glad that I wasn't elected.

When I stood, I had this grand vision that Councillors actually worked together for the greater good of the Borough. Even before the election itself two years ago I had insights that this wasn't the case and clearly it still isn't.

Now I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush because I'm currently working with two councillors on one project - both are from opposite sides of the divide and both are lovely, helpful and dedicated, they are both very committed to working together.

I also come in to contact with others who are helpful and willing to muck in.

But what I'm seeing cheapens the whole political process. Yes, Britcliffe shouldn't have said what he said and I agree that lying after the event is wrong but surely this shouldn't have been taken to the complaints procedure in the first place. By taking something like this to the complaints panel it completely undermines the rest of the work that is going on in the borough - it's had more discussion on here than the Accrington Masterplan and it's had equal coverage in the papers! What message is this sending to anyone?

So, Wynonie, if you were to ask me right now which political party I supported I would sadly have to report NONE!

agree completely,well said, the exact reasons i gave up wi em.