smoking at home???

[Ianto.W.]

A bit over the top this one, I couldn't beleive my own ears at first, I thought it was a joke. With neighbours like these you certainly don't need any enemies.

[grego]

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

I know the council up here stated that if you smoked and a council official was due to visit they didnt want you lighting up for the previous hour. Whether that was because the visitor might be a none smoker or it is incase the employee might get lung cancer I aint a scooby. To be reported for it and the council treating it as some social crime beats the hell out of me. So the council takes action and you change jobs and at the interview they ask about criminal convictions imagine haveing to say you recieved an asbo for smoking at home!

I dont think the council have any right to try and enforce that, and I'm sure they'd be told where to go!

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by grego

I dont think the council have any right to try and enforce that, and I'm sure they'd be told where to go!

The laws rules and regs up here are so confusing that I wouldnt put it pass the councils trying it on.

[guru]

Yeah how stupid, its getting to the point were smokers,drivers, etc get a rougher ride than criminals, all the stupid fines for driving a car or smoking and joe bloggs goes to court and gets a lesser fine and sentence for theiving, and then when you smoke your put to the back of the nhs cues if you smoke, now this is nonsense to say because you smoke you should go to the back of the cue to say the goverments taxes are probably filled up most by ciggerettes and alcohol. I stopped smoking over a year ago and is one of the best things i did but still find it unfair for those whose willpower isnt as good as alot of other people, who dreams up these stupid laws.

[WillowTheWhisp]

I can't believe the cheek of the council asking people not to smoke for an hour before they come! That's crazy. The smell longers anyway. What's next? Asking people to leave the doors and windows open for that hour?

[West Ender]

It doesn't say what they're smoking. Kippers perhaps?

[jambutty]

"Thou Shalt Not Smoke" looks like becoming the eleventh commandment if the self opinionated non smokers have their way.

Not content with having got their way about smoking in general they now want to dictate what a person does in their own home.

Of course they conveniently forget that as they drive off in the poisonous fumes belching car, THEIR EXHAUST FUMES INVADE MY HOUSE er flat.

During the same programme it was also reported that if a Council official is to visit a house the occupants must not smoke ONE HOUR before the official’s arrival. Now how are they going to enforce that as most official visits are on spec? And someone suggested that people approaching the Council offices should stop smoking BEFORE THEY REACH THEM.

How long before the Council, being the owner of rented social housing, will decree that the tenants can no longer smoke in their property? How are they going to police that? CCTV in each room?

I notice that government is going all out to get us all to quit smoking with a new £7m advertising campaign that is attempting to frighten us into submission. Little weird beings resident inside the brain and a list of chemicals in modern day tobacco products. I also notice that the ads for nicotine patches also include the words, “It will help your will power.” An admission, if ever there was one, that nicotine patches are not the be all and end all answers to stopping smoking and will power is paramount as it always has been.

The worst part is that some non-smokers are crawling out of the woodwork gloating about the success in attacking the smokers. Well take heed you gloaters, the no smoking in enclosed public spaces campaign has established a precedent where the government can tell you, the citizen of the UK, what you can do and where. Your totally selfish behaviour in the smoking debate will backfire on you when Big Brother comes a calling.

And now this crackpot idea of increasing the age to 18 where buying tobacco products is legal. I suppose that NL considers that if the 16 & 17 year olds can no longer buy cigarettes they will quit. Some will but the rest will get them by hook or by crook.

Logically the government should follow the anti-smoking campaign with a similar one about vehicle exhaust fumes and how they are poisoning all and sundry. Will they tell us what lethal chemicals there are in vehicle exhaust fumes?

With the same logic New Labour should also attack drinkers. After all they are complaining bitterly about binge drinking by the young. Years ago when beer was beer made in the traditional way it was made from organic ingredients. Then came what people called “chemical beer” as production was speeded up to cut down production costs and increase profit. Lager in particular was known as a chemical drink and today the main tipple is lager.

So come NL tell us what is in a pint of lager.

People who would invite someone to have a drink with them with the phrase, “What’s your poison” don’t realise how true a statement that is.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by grego

Its pathetic, I completely understand complaining about noise but not smoke, we shouldn't be told what to do in our own homes.

Looking at it from a different slant.

Why do people complain about noise?

If it is because it annoys or disturbs them then could this not also be true about a smell? People around Altham have been known to complain about the smell from Whinny Hill.

Is there really any difference between a smelly tip and fag smoke?

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by jambutty

"Thou Shalt Not Smoke" looks like becoming the eleventh commandment if the self opinionated non smokers have their way.

Not content with having got their way about smoking in general they now want to dictate what a person does in their own home.

Of course they conveniently forget that as they drive off in the poisonous fumes belching car, THEIR EXHAUST FUMES INVADE MY HOUSE er flat.

Yes Jambutty let's tar all non smokers with the same brush, eh?
We're all over opinionated and all drive big diesel lorries past YOUR flat demanding you stop smoking there and then.

[garinda]

Although it's totally daft I bet it's not too distant in the future that smoking is banned in the home if you have children. It'll be to protect their rights, and I suppose I can see some logic there for a change.

So any smokers, who will soon be banned from lighting up in the pubs etc, will be welcome round at Rindy Towers, but do bring your own ashtray.

[guru]

I agree Garinda, people who smoke in there house who have children are disgusting, when your an adult you can choose if you want to smoke etc, but these kids dont have a choice of the matter, this shouldnt need to be brought into law, its commen sense.

[***Mr D***]

Originally Posted by jambutty

With the same logic New Labour should also attack drinkers. After all they are complaining bitterly about binge drinking by the young. Years ago when beer was beer made in the traditional way it was made from organic ingredients. Then came what people called “chemical beer” as production was speeded up to cut down production costs and increase profit. Lager in particular was known as a chemical drink and today the main tipple is lager.

So come NL tell us what is in a pint of lager.

People who would invite someone to have a drink with them with the phrase, “What’s your poison” don’t realise how true a statement that is.

I think this is a good point, drinking can be just as harmfull as smoking.

As for not being able to smoke one hour before a council officer came round. Im sorry but a comment like that would make me more wanting to fill the room with smoke to prove a point.

[jambutty]

So we can now go about complaining to the authorities when anyone annoys or disturbs us. Great! I have a long list that I could conjure up but being a live and let live type of person I won’t unless, and this is the crux of the matter, unless the annoyance is excessive. That is the operative word – excessive. Pray tell me what is so excessive about a slight whiff of tobacco smoke.

Making a noise during daylight hours and even up until 11:00pm doesn’t bother me, unless the noise is that loud that I cannot comfortably hear my own radio or TV.
I put up with the nearby farmer muck spreading his fields. After all it only lasts for a day or two.
I, like many other people, put up with all sorts of minor annoyances and inconveniences and even some major ones at times.
Fireworks.
Noisy kids on the street.
Noisy and smelly barbecues next door.
DIY work.
The list goes on and on.

The modern trend is to tar everyone with the same brush shakermaker but I accept that there will be many, many non smokers who don’t give a hoot about what someone does in their own home.

However I do have a legitimate complaint against vehicles. Come round to my flat at around 8:30am then around 12:00noon and finally at around 3:15pm. The air is thick with vehicle exhaust fumes from the cars driven by parents collecting their little darlings from school across the road. Except that they are not so little being 12 years of age and older and fully capable of walking home or catching a bus. On calm days those fumes linger for hours and in spite of having all my windows and doors shut they still manage to stink my flat out.

As you garinda and you guru point out that kids have no choice if their parents smoke in the home. But they also have no choice but to breathe in disgusting, revolting and poisonous vehicle exhaust fumes, yet no on is complaining about them or more importantly doing anything about them.

It is really a case of double standards.

[WillowTheWhisp]

This guy who has smoke smells coming into his house. There must be some way it's getting through. It won't be coming through brick walls. We've got a gap between the skirting board and the floorboards in the pantry where smells from next door's kitchen sometimes drift up and under the stairs. If it was really objectionable we could do something about filling the gap I suppose but it's never been all that bad. I've never asked if they can smell anything from ours.

[SPUGGIE J]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I can't believe the cheek of the council asking people not to smoke for an hour before they come! That's crazy. The smell longers anyway. What's next? Asking people to leave the doors and windows open for that hour?

Willow the baboons sent out litriture with all this gunf on and refused to visit the mother in law because she had been smoking.