So Cameron doesn't want a referendum on in or out of Europe

[Eric]

Originally Posted by jaysay

You can't hold a vote on something that has already become law, and the Lisbon Treaty was signed by one Gordon Brown while he was PM

Treaties! Those fun loving folks in whatever Reich number we are up to now, led the way in showing how they should be dealt with. I believe it was an early twentieth-century squarehead called von Bethmann-Holleweg who pointed out that a treaty is merely "ein Fetzen Papier" worthy only of being torn up and used in the nearest bog.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Eric

Treaties! Those fun loving folks in whatever Reich number we are up to now, led the way in showing how they should be dealt with. I believe it was an early twentieth-century squarehead called von Bethmann-Holleweg who pointed out that a treaty is merely "ein Fetzen Papier" worthy only of being torn up and used in the nearest bog.

Well the only way out of the Lisbon treaty would be out of Europe all together, once Brown signed that treaty and it became law there was no point in a vote on that treaty, just a wast of money

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Well the only way out of the Lisbon treaty would be out of Europe all together, once Brown signed that treaty and it became law there was no point in a vote on that treaty, just a wast of money

Any vote by the public on the EU was not just in the Tory manifesto but as from 2011 is now the law!.. this government went as far as to include this law in the UK constitution in 2011.

The EU Act 2011 is to place a referendum lock on any further transfers of power from the UK to the European Union. This is how the Conservative Party manifesto in the last election described the proposal that led to the Act.
Section 2 of the Act provides generally that treaties amending or replacing existing EU treaties may not be ratified unless the public approves proposed changes in a referendum .
source http://ukconstitutionallaw.org/

So there is little room for Cameron to move if the EU propose yet another treaty other than call a referndum..

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by keep the faith

I'd just like to make a very important point on this subject. Before anyone rushes to vote for any party that will bring us out of Europe.The bulk of the current employment laws and workers rights have been put in place to fall in line with the rest of Europe, eg. 90 days consultation period in redundancy situations, maximum hours of work etc. etc. etc
The minute we leave to stand on our own I have no doubt these laws will be repealed in no time at all to bring us more in line with the " hire em, fire em" system in the USA.
Be very careful not to act too hasty when considering your options

Not issues that the out now at any cost bring to light..and there's always the subsides to British farmers..around £12,000 average per farm...would any government continue this payment..if so how would they justifiy benifits of 12,000 to farmers while at the same time of cutting tax credits for "scrounging" working families?

[Eric]

Hey ... things are looking up Looks like you guys might get a referendum on Lords reform Something that nobody gives a flying-you-know-what about, and you get to vote on it Still, an elected upper house will bring you in line with your US allies.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Eric

Hey ... things are looking up Looks like you guys might get a referendum on Lords reform Something that nobody gives a flying-you-know-what about, and you get to vote on it Still, an elected upper house will bring you in line with your US allies.

Stuff the Lords its Europe we want one on, all the rest is propaganda