So Cameron doesn't want a referendum on in or out of Europe

[jaysay]

As Eurozone agree bank bailout, Cameron says he doesn¿t want a referendum on Britain¿s EU membership | Mail Online

So Call Me Dave doesn't want a in/out referendum on European membership even though more and more Tory MPs are moving in that direction, well Dave the majority of the British People DO. Well at least he's got one thing right, more and more Tories are moving to UKIP, more than you actually think, because most Tories I speak to are sick of being told what to do in our own country by unelected bureaucrats from Brussels, nobody in this country as ever been asked about a federal European government, which to all intents and purposes is what we've now got by default, Its time our elected representatives at Westminster started listening to the people who elect them and stuff the Party line, and that's which ever party line you like Tory, Labour or Lib/Dem

[Taggy]

I'm afraid the days of Politicians taking any notice of what we want have long since gone Jaysay, the only time they actually listen is when their jobs are on the line and even then its only to pay lip service to our concerns, they've no intention of actually acting on the wishes of oiks like us!

Best regards - Taggy

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Taggy

I'm afraid the days of Politicians taking any notice of what we want have long since gone Jaysay, the only time they actually listen is when their jobs are on the line and even then its only to pay lip service to our concerns, they've no intention of actually acting on the wishes of oiks like us!

Best regards - Taggy

Ya then they wonder why more and more people are not voting, In 1987 the turnout in Hyndburn at the GE was around 82% two years ago it was around 60% I know its always said if you don't vote you don't have a say, but if you do vote all the elected members do is shout !!SUCKER!! and then stick two fingers up, then they wonder why people are so disillusioned

[cashman]

Like i n others said long ago, The only remote chance of owt changing is to vote U.K.I.P. if enough people do, Then n only then will the "Untouchables" crap themselves n give us a referendum.

[maxthecollie]

Originally Posted by cashman

Like i n others said long ago, The only remote chance of owt changing is to vote U.K.I.P. if enough people do, Then n only then will the "Untouchables" crap themselves n give us a referendum.

Who's to say U.K.I.P. wont change their minds if ever they get in. They all pee in the same pot.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by maxthecollie

Who's to say U.K.I.P. wont change their minds if ever they get in. They all pee in the same pot.

Simple fact is,i give people a chance to tell the truth, before i discount em. Plus only a numpty could imagine em getting in, but enough could vote fer em to worry the others, or is that hard to comprehend?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by maxthecollie

Who's to say U.K.I.P. wont change their minds if ever they get in. They all pee in the same pot.

I would think there's very little chance of them doing that Frank, after all ever since their inception that has basically been their only policy, pulling out of Europe, its in their constitution

[kestrelx]

Havn't you heard?

The powers that be in Europe want monetary and fiscal union - they say that is the only way to keep the Euro going -they won't back down - they want everyone in a European Superstate! So we don't have a say!

They are all in it together!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

Havn't you heard?

The powers that be in Europe want monetary and fiscal union - they say that is the only way to keep the Euro going -they won't back down - they want everyone in a European Superstate! So we don't have a say!

They are all in it together!

Urm yes that's basically what the links about

[accyman]

the only polititions that want to stay in the EU are probbably those with their eye on a future cushy number been a euro MP when they get kicked out of or voted out of UK politics

[kestrelx]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Urm yes that's basically what the links about

I'm telling you why there isn't going to be one - because they all want the EU to be running our lives - so this isn't a democracy!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by kestrelx

I'm telling you why there isn't going to be one - because they all want the EU to be running our lives - so this isn't a democracy!

Well we know that, we've known that for years, because they already know the result and it won't be in their favour, but in the article it says we will have to negotiate the terms, which should be put to the people like it was in Ireland and but was refused us by Gordon the last time there were renegotiation's

[Margaret Pilkington]

There is a steadily growing tide of opposition from members of his own party.....they see that David Cameron is out of touch with what the electorate are saying.....I think they realise that, at an election, this could be a deciding factor........they may promise to hold a referendum(and may actually do so) but there is nothing to say that they would act on the will of the people.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

There is a steadily growing tide of opposition from members of his own party.....they see that David Cameron is out of touch with what the electorate are saying.....I think they realise that, at an election, this could be a deciding factor........they may promise to hold a referendum(and may actually do so) but there is nothing to say that they would act on the will of the people.

The main partys will not act on the peoples will, U.K.I.P. on the other hand are more likely too I.M.H.O.

[Margaret Pilkington]

While I get what you are saying Cashy, I don't think that UKIP will ever get into power to be able to act on the people will. The only thing that UKIP have in their favour is to scare the bejasus out of the three main parties.....who are so similar now that you could hardly get a sheet of Bronco between them.