So who do u tip?? - Page 2

cashman · 22-03-2008, 16:51

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Originally Posted by polly

not tipping eans that the ones that are trying to keep families will move on to other jobs or provide such bad service customers stop going and employers have to re-think.

It is hard but the only way in a free market econnomy

thats why seeing you asked, anyone that thinks people can just move on to other jobs is either dumb or making excuses n i dont think yer dumb. i can say that easily cos ive have had first hand experience, also i know a couple of people who have been looking for work for nearly 5 months now, also many people no matter how poorly paid would never dream of providing bad service.

polly · 22-03-2008, 17:21

The question is not if the US or UK levels of service is better. The important question is if in a civillised society wo9rkers should have to rely on charity to live.

BERNADETTE · 22-03-2008, 17:32

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Originally Posted by polly

The question is not if the US or UK levels of service is better. The important question is if in a civillised society wo9rkers should have to rely on charity to live.

The way I see it it is not charity you are just tipping good service. It is optional in the UK but appears that in other countries a part of the wage.

SamF · 22-03-2008, 17:52

At the cafe I work at we aren't allowed to accept tips - they assume we're stealing from the till.

BERNADETTE · 22-03-2008, 17:59

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Originally Posted by SamF

At the cafe I work at we aren't allowed to accept tips - they assume we're stealing from the till.

That speaks volumes to me, what happened to trust?

SamF · 22-03-2008, 18:02

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

That speaks volumes to me, what happened to trust?

God knows we sell overpriced bought-in-frozen crap and still manage serve it. At least we get slightly above minimum wage for the pleasure.

BERNADETTE · 22-03-2008, 18:03

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Originally Posted by SamF

God knows we sell overpriced bought-in-frozen crap and still manage serve it. At least we get slightly above minimum wage for the pleasure.

You should still be allowed to accept tips. Wouldn't like to work in an enviroment where there was no trust.

Eric · 22-03-2008, 18:32

Anyone working in a service job dealing with the public deserves a tip ... go thro' a drive through for a cup of Tim Horton's finest ($1.50 for an extra large 4x4) don't take the change from a tooney ... in a restaurant, tip depends on the level of service ... always tip a cabbie esp. if he is pouring you home safely from the pub ... if it is -20c, tip the guy who fills your gas tank. It's not charity, and not tipping does not improve the level of pay service industry workers receive. People who don't tip are cheap.

Gareth · 23-03-2008, 02:32

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Originally Posted by polly

The question is not if the US or UK levels of service is better. The important question is if in a civillised society wo9rkers should have to rely on charity to live.

Welcome to communism.

The question is ABSOLUTELY is the level of service better. That is how economics works. The free market dictates where people want to spend their money, and the darwinism takes care of those that don't provide good service. And those who don't wish to be part of the service industry reward mechanism are free to go get a job as a clerical worker for the government where service is not the greatest.

Should sales people be paid commissions? Should a company that performs well pay its workers a bonus based on the profits of the company? Do people work harder knowing that harder work results in more money?

The last time i went to ASDA, and it was a while ago, I was taken aback that I had to pack my own bags, and they didn't help me to my car with my groceries. That costs me two or three bucks from my change if the person goes to my car with me, I don't always but many older people do. If the 16 year old that does that can do it that 10 times an hour, he makes $30 per hour, on a 4 hour shift, he can make 60 quid even with the crappy exchange rate. He works 3 days a week after school, and a full day on Saturday, and he is taking home £300 a week. He has to work hard, and probably run back to the store but is making a tidy income for a kid.

Eric, I get your point, and Canada and the US have much in common when it comes to the tipping mentality. It just isn't prevalent in the UK, as many people, like Polly, see it as charity. And thats ok, because, I would assume, wages are higher to compensate, and the food is more expensive because its built into the price of the food, in the instance of the eating establishment. I just think its uncivilised not to tip in the US or Canada if you understand the economics of the service industry in the US or Canada, and therefore the performance-based reward of staff results in better service.

That being said, my point still sticks, Tipping a La USA will never work in the UK.

Benipete · 23-03-2008, 02:46

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Originally Posted by Gareth

Welcome to communism.

The question is ABSOLUTELY is the level of service better. That is how economics works. The free market dictates where people want to spend their money, and the darwinism takes care of those that don't provide good service. And those who don't wish to be part of the service industry reward mechanism are free to go get a job as a clerical worker for the government where service is not the greatest.

Should sales people be paid commissions? Should a company that performs well pay its workers a bonus based on the profits of the company? Do people work harder knowing that harder work results in more money?

The last time i went to ASDA, and it was a while ago, I was taken aback that I had to pack my own bags, and they didn't help me to my car with my groceries. That costs me two or three bucks from my change if the person goes to my car with me, I don't always but many older people do. If the 16 year old that does that can do it that 10 times an hour, he makes $30 per hour, on a 4 hour shift, he can make 60 quid even with the crappy exchange rate. He works 3 days a week after school, and a full day on Saturday, and he is taking home £300 a week. He has to work hard, and probably run back to the store but is making a tidy income for a kid.

Eric, I get your point, and Canada and the US have much in common when it comes to the tipping mentality. It just isn't prevalent in the UK, as many people, like Polly, see it as charity. And thats ok, because, I would assume, wages are higher to compensate, and the food is more expensive because its built into the price of the food, in the instance of the eating establishment. I just think its uncivilised not to tip in the US or Canada if you understand the economics of the service industry in the US or Canada, and therefore the performance-based reward of staff results in better service.

That being said, my point still sticks, Tipping a La USA will never work in the UK.

GOD bless AMERICA And the Pricks that live there

Gareth · 23-03-2008, 03:00

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Originally Posted by Benipete

GOD bless AMERICA And the Pricks that live there

I'm sure that was rather difficult to type at 3am while drunk off your head after a quality night at the Hope and Anchor. I appreciate Polly who can structure a logical argument to a discourse even though I don't agree with her. The three seconds it took to read your indepth analysis of my post, is three seconds i'll never get back. Shame really.

steeljack · 23-03-2008, 03:21

seems to me , that the service in restaurants in northern Europe (Germany/Austria/Denmark) is better than the US or the UK , and tipping is not required the reason over there it is seen as a profession ( the staff are paid a decent wage with all benefits) and its not just a temp job until something better comes along ( yep, like you really are an unemployed actor waiting or the big role).

I will add one thing ....Americans are the biggest cry-babies when it comes to illegal aliens/undocumented immigrants but 80% of all eating places are depenant on this labor for back kitchen staff and I don't see many of us complaining about this when we are stuffing our faces

re. note about an earlier post about bag-boys and US supermarkets , not all US supermarkets have this service ,(guess it depends on your Zip/post code and if you don't mind paying the hiked up prices for the service) though most do bag the groceries for you and help senior citizens out to the car.
Most of the bag-boys I see running around the supermarket car parks are usually retriving the shopping carts abandoned next to the parking slots by fat lazy ass shoppers too lazy to return the carts to the slots near the doors

Benipete · 23-03-2008, 03:38

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Originally Posted by Gareth

I'm sure that was rather difficult to type at 3am while drunk off your head after a quality night at the Hope and Anchor. I appreciate Polly who can structure a logical argument to a discourse even though I don't agree with her. The three seconds it took to read your indepth analysis of my post, is three seconds i'll never get back. Shame really.

You can count to 3 well you must have been with Jethro in the 12TH GRADE
Hope and Anchor Lost?

shillelagh · 23-03-2008, 03:51

I used to work in a restaurant many years ago and what we used to do was the waitresses used to pool the tips and then split it between everyone - so then the cooks and the washer uppers etc would get a share. The manageress and the supervisors didnt get any - even if they waited on tables because they got paid more. The waitresses got a higher percentage of the tips than the washer uppers and the cooks got more than the washer uppers but less than the waitresses. The waitresses were the ones on the front line getting the earache from the customers or the compliments.

If i go out for a meal i dont always leave a tip - it depends on the service i receive and the standard of the food i will say this though most of the time i do leave a tip. Some places nowadays add it in. I would prefer it not to be added in - that way i can leave what i think is right. Been known to tip taxi drivers - depends if i got home safe and if they drove safely. I have even been known to ring a taxi firm up and complain about the driver.

Whats wrong with going to asda and packing your own bags that way you know they are packed right - heavy stuff at the bottom - light stuff at the top. Eggs at the top, spuds at the bottom.

Gareth · 23-03-2008, 05:09

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Originally Posted by Benipete

You can count to 3 well you must have been with Jethro in the 12TH GRADE
Hope and Anchor Lost?

If you are trying to be smart - at least get it right. The quote is "FIFTH grade". That would be funny, as Jethro was 18 but had to be in class with 11 year olds. 12th grade is 2nd year at sixth form college where normal 18 year olds are. I was in 12th grade 4 A levels at Sandy Lane. That's the street with the Swan at the bottom. Where they serve you copious amounts of alcohol and you don't bother to tip the barstaff.