Strike Action - Page 3

Neil · 28-03-2006, 16:27

It does appear rather unfair they want to make changes for people already in the scheme. I can understand changing it for new employees though.
Do you not think yourselves very lucky to have been employed by the same organisation for the rule 85 to apply to you? Maybe 20 or 30 years ago but not anymore. There is no such thing as job for life anymore.

Tealeaf · 28-03-2006, 16:46

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Originally Posted by Sara

HR said it all Neil, so i won't repeat what she's said. But i signed up for the pension 12+ years ago, expecting to retire at 60 but now they're saying i can't retire with a pension until i'm 65. And i certainly don't want to work until i'm 65.

Well, if you don't want to work until you're 65, then don't. Retire.But at the same time don't expect the taxpayer to cough up for your life of leisure. Everyone else has to retire at 65 - or even 68 - so why should an unproductive & overpaid public sector "worker" be any different? Here are a few home truths:

1) Average incomes among public sector workers are now higher than in the private sector.

2) Unlike in the private sector, public sector pensions are paid directly out of funds received from general taxation. Those pensions are indexed linked, unlike private sector pension funds whose value may fall depending on the income generated from investments.

3) In the last 9 years, the public sector FTA-equivalent payroll has increased by 600,000; public sector productivity, as defined by measurable outputs, has seen a year-on-year decline over the same period.

4) All these additional jobs need paying for; hence the tax burden has increased from 37% to 43%; but not only that, the government is borrowing billions each year to pay for it all.

5) What do we get in return? Not much is the simple answer. Apart from a few good Doctors & Nurses, we're lumped with policeman who can't police, teachers who can't teach, and a whole plethora of whinging, wastrel bureaucrats who are neither use nor ornament. Sack the bloody lot of 'em is the simple answer; we'll all be better off.

park381 · 28-03-2006, 16:49

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Originally Posted by bad breath brown

im drawing my pension, ill be a spectator on this one.

Will agree with that

park381 · 28-03-2006, 16:55

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Originally Posted by Neil

Do you not think yourselves very lucky to have been employed by the same organisation for the rule 85 to apply to you? Maybe 20 or 30 years ago but not anymore. There is no such thing as job for life anymore.

No you are correct there not a job for life, over a 25 year period I applied for my own job several times, due to re-structure and reductions in staff, but yes I was lucky in so much as I got out using the 85 rule, that was 2 years ago.

SPUGGIE J · 28-03-2006, 19:03

I was trying to stay out of this argument but couldnt. Public sector workers can if they want at 60 but where I am now you do retire at 60 which if I stay that long will have to do. A hypothetical question is "what does a 60 year old do until the state pension kicks in?" I cant see that many jobs being available and as my pension is not FS but a private pension and therefore succeptable to the whims of brokers on a stockmarket.

I am not knocking your rights but some of us have the opposite and are having to live with it.

park381 · 28-03-2006, 19:19

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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J

I was trying to stay out of this argument but couldnt. Public sector workers can if they want at 60 but where I am now you do retire at 60 which if I stay that long will have to do. A hypothetical question is "what does a 60 year old do until the state pension kicks in?" I cant see that many jobs being available and as my pension is not FS but a private pension and therefore succeptable to the whims of brokers on a stockmarket.

I am not knocking your rights but some of us have the opposite and are having to live with it.

I retired 2 years early, had to earn to live. That was down to me I chose to retire, and yes I earned enough to live on, until the "state thing came along"

park381 · 28-03-2006, 19:21

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Originally Posted by entwisi

Office buildings must be over 16 C or you can go home on full pay

That is a laugh, never been so lucky

entwisi · 28-03-2006, 19:35

Covered under the Factories Act IIRC

park381 · 28-03-2006, 19:40

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Originally Posted by entwisi

Covered under the Factories Act IIRC

Yes I am aware of that fact, but the question is have you or would you "go home"

entwisi · 28-03-2006, 19:47

I would give my manager 30 mins to supply heating or I would go. In fact I did, At work the heating is turned off in the building I work at weekends to save energy(it seats approx 1500 people. I went in one weekend and it was 13 C. I rang my boss and told him if there wasn't heating supplied within 30 mins I would go home. He rang teh project manager who I was workimg for who went and brought an oil filled radiator for under my desk. The next weekend there were 6 waiting for anyone who was working.

There is nothing wrong with standing your ground. In fact most managers appreciate it as it means they know you won't let stuff go for an easy life.

park381 · 28-03-2006, 19:57

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Originally Posted by entwisi

I would give my manager 30 mins to supply heating or I would go. In fact I did, At work the heating is turned off in the building I work at weekends to save energy(it seats approx 1500 people. I went in one weekend and it was 13 C. I rang my boss and told him if there wasn't heating supplied within 30 mins I would go home. He rang teh project manager who I was workimg for who went and brought an oil filled radiator for under my desk. The next weekend there were 6 waiting for anyone who was working.

There is nothing wrong with standing your ground. In fact most managers appreciate it as it means they know you won't let stuff go for an easy life.

You must be 1 in a million. I can understand the heating being off at weekend to save energy, bet you work in warmer conditions than you live in.

Gayle · 28-03-2006, 21:02

Rest assured we found a heater and it warmed up a bit. We do need to have a word with the people upstairs though, it was a bit out of order to turn the heating off because they were striking. We're nothing to do with them and we weren't striking.

Driller · 29-03-2006, 06:21

I am with Sara.. if you are employed by someone and your pension is taken into account then this is a contract.. everyone has the right to strike, but most of the people that oppose strikes are contractors.. they work for X.. amout per hour .. but if the X isint enough they don't work..so they technically strike

entwisi · 29-03-2006, 06:26

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Originally Posted by park381

You must be 1 in a million.

Oh I am!

Driller · 29-03-2006, 06:38

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Originally Posted by entwisi

What I would like to understand is why do you think that you as public servants should be treat differently to the rest of the working public?

As I understand it you get the equivilant of final salary schemes paid at 60 whilst the rest of us have to manage on money purchase schemes with target age of 65.

I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

some people joined the civil service (on low wages) because of the security of pensions.. now they are told it means nothing..I agree with the strike