supermarkets and pork products

[entwisi]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

I was reading up on Sharia mortgages a little while ago - the buyer actually just pays the bank well over the odds for the property so that they can buy it from them over a period of years. The bank of course makes a profit. How else would they be able to exist and pay staff wages etc? A rose by any other name?

Willow it is as I said, the 'original cost' of the house plus what interest that would be payable over the term divided by the number of payments to be made

The interesting point as raised by Neil is that it effectively is a 25 year fixed rate. now how close to the normal fixed deals(say 5 year ones) is the rate they use. If it is teh same then it could be a very useful tool to people who want to know exactly want a mortgage would be for teh whole term of teh mortgage

[flashy]

i'm a porker, does that mean i cant get handled??

[Ianto.W.]

Some orthodox jews will not use the national grid in Israel as they do not believe in any jew working on the Sabbath, they employ Arabs to fill the generators that power their properties, the only work done is the distance walked from home to Synagogue and back, it is kept as a family day when all the members of it spend the day together. Not a bad idea but a little unpractical in today's world.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by entwisi

Willow it is as I said, the 'original cost' of the house plus what interest that would be payable over the term divided by the number of payments to be made

The interesting point as raised by Neil is that it effectively is a 25 year fixed rate. now how close to the normal fixed deals(say 5 year ones) is the rate they use. If it is teh same then it could be a very useful tool to people who want to know exactly want a mortgage would be for teh whole term of teh mortgage

That was my whole point Ian when I said a rose by any other name.

We've got a fixed rate mortgage for the full term.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

We've got a fixed rate mortgage for the full term.

I have not seen that before. What was the interest rate like compared with 5 year fixed or variable at the time?

[Acrylic-bob]

The half-arsed, half understood, self-imposed limitations that people saddle themselves with really get on my wick. I don't supoose that it troubles these idiots at all when it comes to holding out their paws for government hand outs that the money doled out to them is in part the proceeds, through taxation, of all the unclean and evil practises they decry.

More fool us for letting them get away with their ridiculous demands and restrictions in the first place. I'm getting more than a little peed off with all this bending over backward to accomodate the unreasonable.

[jambutty]

Any religion that orders it followers not to eat certain edible foods or when they can be eaten is nothing more than a control freak. Roman Catholics – don’t eat meat on Fridays, eat fish instead, although I doubt if this is practiced these days except by really staunch followers. Jews will not eat the meat from pigs but will sell goods made from pigskin. Muslims with their total ban on pork and anything associated with pigs. Hindu with their veneration of the cow. Religion is all about controlling the lives of the followers and some Muslims try to push it for all it is worth.

Would a Muslim have a ‘Piggy Bank’ given free from Nat West wasn’t it? Would a Muslim buy a farmyard set for their kids to play with?

Jews do not force their eating habits on others in that they will sell whatever is saleable. Catholics will sell meat on Fridays.

If it is against Islamic law to charge interest on loans, can someone explain to me how an Islamic bank survives? Well entwisi has and that is the sort of spin that Blair/Brown would be proud of. As WillowTheWhisp has already proclaimed “A rose by any other name …….” I prefer the word hypocracy.

Putting it bluntly, if a person wants to have specific religious beliefs, leave them on the inside of your front door, unless you are going to your communal place of worship.

As for Halal meat! Isn’t that where the animal has its throat cut and it is allowed to bleed to death?

Just an afterthought! If religions didn’t promise an afterlife of supreme bliss and harmony, how many suicide bombers would we have? Nowhere near as many as there are, I’ll be bound.

[Gayle]

There's usually a reason for religious beliefs to be 'adopted'. For example, and I was told this by a muslim before anyone has a go at me, pigs have no necks therefore unable to be cut by the halal method, things that can't be killed in that way are therefore not killed correctly. Also, the countries where the muslim faith originates are extremely hot - pigs, because they have no necks are less able to regulate their temperatures and so are therefore more likely to be diseased and finally, pork does not keep for very long in the heat therefore can make people ill. All of these factors mean that many centuries ago people in these countries worked out that pigs equals ill health and shouldn't be eaten - it got woven into the religion and is maintained today.

I think the thing with catholics and fish is sort of similar, in that the fishermen went out on monday's to get the fish and came back on friday so it was eaten on friday when it was at its freshest - this too got woven into the faith over the centuries.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Some muslims would quite happily have a piggy bank but others even complain about being able to see a tissue box with the Winnie the Pooh & Piglet characters on it. That's a cartoon pig, not even a picture of a real one.

[chav1]

if eating or touching a pig is such a problem and it gets to the point that it effects your life wouldnt teh simple option be to switch to christianity

seriously christians can do what teh hell they like as long as they say sory to god before they die

they can practicaly eat anything

they dont have to go out of town to buy their beer so their parents dont find out or anyone else from their place of worship

you wouldnt even need to worship because most of teh churches are now turned into flats or shut down

problem solved

hey im athiest but if i had to choose a religeon it would be christianity simply because anything goes as long as you say sorry

[chav1]

lol dont tell me my humour killed another bloody thread

[shillelagh]

Originally Posted by chav1

lol dont tell me my humour killed another bloody thread

Yup it did

[Ianto.W.]

Halal like kosher was originally devised in the pre- refrigeration days, pork fish without scales, shellfish or any type of fish that was thought to scavenge on human remains were taboo. Kosher in Yiddish means 'clean' as I suspect Halal does in urdu. The killing or the animals is prety much the same it is usually done by a holy man Imam or Rabbi who are not full time, but more as in Christians a lay type who's jobs were part of the sructure of their faith. I suspect not many 'modern' Jews would turn their nose up at a Lobster. Kosher is not kept as strictly as it was in the so called good old days, as there are many watered down sects that have evolved to accomodate modern times. I suggest and would like to think, purely from a personal point of view, that the Moslems would also try to accomodate the 21st century, but I think my views will fall on deaf ears.

[mani]

its threads like this that make me cry

how i was deprived of winnie the pooh during my childhood - all thanks to that evil piglet



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

as intriguing a muslim mortgage sounds - the odds are way over the top because the bank has to guess in 20 yrs time if prices increase as they are - what would be the interest then - somehow mishmash it all together and get a figure a mafia extortionist would be proud of. i dont actually know of anyone who has got one though - i'm gonna find out if anyone has and what kinda payments theyre doing...

and no steel - read once agian i did not say due to his religious beliefs he's put on grocery did i? sheesh some ppl tryna make hurricane fatima in a tea cup

[SPUGGIE J]

What has an ex javelin lobber got to do with storms, supermarkets and pork?