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28-01-2008, 23:52
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
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right 1 question for lilly n kate, would you honestly have known that this soft drink was prohibited at school, if this story had not broke?
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I wouldn't know anything about that particular school if I hadn't read the article. Each school has their own varying rules. I don't know what the policies re alcohol is in my kids school or what their position is re shandy.
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28-01-2008, 23:52
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
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Maybe you can answer my question. I've asked it several times but no-one is taking me on.
Why would you send your children to a school whose policies you don't agree with? Why not send them to one whose rules you do approve of? Things don't need to be illegal to be banned in school.
Some schools have banned sweets and chocolates in lunch boxes, some schools have banned wacky haircuts. Each school has their own slightly different rules.
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the woman DID NOT know n when she did she complied, yer wernt a ghostwriter fer Mein Kampf were you?
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28-01-2008, 23:55
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
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the woman DID NOT know n when she did she complied, yer wernt a ghostwriter fer Mein Kampf were you?
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Of course she knew.
And if she didn't then she can't have read the school's prospectus properly.
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28-01-2008, 23:55
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
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I wouldn't know anything about that particular school if I hadn't read the article. Each school has their own varying rules. I don't know what the policies re alcohol is in my kids school or what their position is re shandy.
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thats the point YOU dont know yer kids schools policys n neither did this woman, n even knowing it would never think this drink was banned,cos its a soft drink.
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28-01-2008, 23:55
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
The boy should be taken into care.
If his mother didn't buy him crappy fizzy drinks for lunch, his spots would heal up, and he wouldn't have been shamed by having his photograph in the national press.
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28-01-2008, 23:55
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
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We will never know will we Willow. Sure, you would request they didn't drink it again.
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Actually the choice is up to them. If they personally felt that it didn't qualify as alcohol then considering it is legally a non-alcoholic drink I would leave it up to them. I don't know that it would prevent them from obtaining a Temple Recommend. They would need to discuss that with the Lord and with their Bishop. I know people in the church who cook with alcohol because the cooking process presumably burns off all the alcohol content but personally I choose not to to be on the safe side yet I don't criticise them for doing so.
Emzie once accidentally drank coffee at school because she didn't know what it was. I didn't make a scene at the school about it. I just quietly and politely asked them not to offer it to her again. Just as the school could have quietly and politely asked this lad not to bring shandy again. That is the point I am trying to make. I don't believe the school wilfully set out to make my daughter go against church teachings any more than I think this lad wilfully set out to break school rules.
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28-01-2008, 23:56
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
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Originally Posted by Lilly
Maybe you can answer my question. I've asked it several times but no-one is taking me on.
Why would you send your children to a school whose policies you don't agree with? Why not send them to one whose rules you do approve of? Things don't need to be illegal to be banned in school.
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I would imagine that, like most people, she didn't think that sending the lad to school with a can of Lemonade Shandy would cause him to fall foul of a no alcohol rule. And now she knows, she's not sending him with any more of the stuff. She's just highlighting the sheer stupidity of it.
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28-01-2008, 23:57
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
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The boy should be taken into care.
If his mother didn't buy him crappy fizzy drinks for lunch, his spots would heal up, and he wouldn't have been shamed by having his photograph in the national press.
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28-01-2008, 23:57
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
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thats the point YOU dont know yer kids schools policys n neither did this woman, n even knowing it would never think this drink was banned,cos its a soft drink.
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I personally would not send my kids to school with shandy or any other fizzy drinks. They don't have those sorts of drinks.
Just out of interest I shall endeavour to find out our school's alcohol policy.
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28-01-2008, 23:59
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
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Originally Posted by Lilly
Of course she knew.
And if she didn't then she can't have read the school's prospectus properly.
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Yes 'of course' she knew that alcohol was banned. But lemonade shandy in these cans is not legally alcohol. It is classified alongside Tango, CocaCola, Pepsi, Sprite, 7UP etc etc etc. It is sold from the same chiller cabinet. It is not sold alongside the alcohol because it is not classed as alcohol. Now if the school rules had specified "no alcohol or lemonade shandy" you might have a point.
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29-01-2008, 00:00
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Coffin Dodger.
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
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Originally Posted by Lilly
I personally would not send my kids to school with shandy or any other fizzy drinks. They don't have those sorts of drinks.
Just out of interest I shall endeavour to find out our school's alcohol policy.
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neither did mine, but some kids did n i didn't knock it, but alcohol policy or not how can a legal soft drink be classed as alcohol legally?
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29-01-2008, 00:01
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
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Originally Posted by Lilly
Maybe you can answer my question. I've asked it several times but no-one is taking me on.
Why would you send your children to a school whose policies you don't agree with? Why not send them to one whose rules you do approve of?
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I would not send them to a school I did not agree with the rules. I agree with the no alcohol thing, it is obvious as they are all underage (unless they have a 6th form). I just think that shandy is not classed as an alcoholic drink by the law so the school should not class it as such. We used to sell shandy in the can machine at work and have a no drinking on site ban in place.
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29-01-2008, 00:01
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
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the woman DID NOT know n when she did she complied, yer wernt a ghostwriter fer Mein Kampf were you?
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Don't believe this for one minute Cashy, nor do I believe that the lad didn't know. To me was not worth taking the risk even if it is sold next to soft drinks at Tesco.
I reckon this lad was probably showing off with it anyway, (probably pretending it was potent) and caused another lad to snitch on him.
Anyway, we are never going to agree on this point, and I believe that parents should support the schools as much as possible and try and come to some sort of understanding of what happened, instead of reporting them to the media, even if she did state she 'complied'.
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29-01-2008, 00:02
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
What about Ginger Beer? Ginger Ale? Root Beer? Are they all banned too because they have the word 'beer' or 'ale' in the name?
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29-01-2008, 00:03
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Re: Suspended for drinking... shandy
Maybe a daft question .........is there such a thing as "Alcohol free Shandy" like fat free cheese cake and de-caf esspresso ?
oxymorons I know ....
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