Tattoos and Dykes. - Page 2

geoff70 · 07-12-2005, 02:29

ah but not all christians accept the theory of evolution i quote
The common view was that God created the whole universe out of nothing, about six thousand years ago (a notable Irish theologian, James Ussher (1581- 1656), deduced from the chronology of the Bible that the actual year was 4004 BC.) It all happened in the remarkably short period of six days, and on the sixth day God made both the animals and human beings. First of all from the dust of the ground He made one human being; He breathed His own spirit into him and called him Adam. Then from Adam’s rib He fashioned a woman called Eve. All other human beings were subsequently descended from these two by natural procreation.
and over to doug we got to this stage by apathy .by being law abiding and trusting without questioning the goverment who are really meant to represent us ,but dont ..there is a certain george orwell animal farm feeling about this present goverment ,and better throw in that 1984 feeling for good measure

shakermaker · 07-12-2005, 02:30

The way i see it all is that we as a mixed culture nation must realise that no one knows for a fact who made what when (with regards to the Adam &Eve/Steve silliness above) , and it is also a fact that we are all in the same situation, all floating around on this spherical dungheap - no matter how our beliefs differ or if our sexual prefences differ; so in turn we should all have equal rights - and IMHO this new law is long overdue.

Doug · 07-12-2005, 02:31

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Originally Posted by garinda

I quite like David Cameron and some of his policies, which I suspect is bad news for the Tories.

Stagnation results in a slow pitiless death. It’s time the Tories woke up and accepted that the world of Politics and Policy move on. Cameron may be a shining light and perhaps a breath of fresh air like that most of us looked for in Blaire. His strength of Character is going to be tested to the full and it will be interesting to see what change he can effect. If he survives long enough affect anything at all. What’s important is he’s given a chance before the condemnation sets in.

garinda · 07-12-2005, 02:35

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Originally Posted by Doug

What’s important is he’s given a chance before the condemnation sets in.

I think me, in all my wooly liberal/socialist fluffiness, saying I quite like him, is all ready the condemnation he needs as a leader of the Tories

Doug · 07-12-2005, 02:41

I don’t have a problem with the Law itself, I don’t agree that a civil ceremony is required to sanctify it. It infers a marriage. Adam and Eve in my mind is creation of man and not god. I’m not actually what you’d call a Christian either. That aside most eastern countries manage to maintain individual cultures and religions despite the influx of foreign nationals, why should this county be deferent?

Doug · 07-12-2005, 02:42

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Originally Posted by garinda

I think me, in all my wooly liberal/socialist fluffiness, saying I quite like him, is all ready the condemnation he needs as a leader of the Tories

Yes, I got frighten when you said you liked me…….

shakermaker · 07-12-2005, 02:44

because by nature we are a nation of rebels!!
it seems we've picked a fight with every Tom, Dick & Harry going!
and as for the uproar of punk, well.....

...pure genius

geoff70 · 07-12-2005, 02:49

its a vicious circle ,if the tories worked for the people they would still be in goverment .but like wise what has labour really done for us ,all promises ..crime failed, imigration shambles ,education education education failed .national health ,failed ,defence ie mod ,disaster!!! and tax yes they have kept it low you dont notice all those pesky little stealth taxes do ya tax oh its only 22%which for me being self employed works out at about 30% when the national insurance goes on top ,pensions plundered the list is endless but i supose this is the best we've got ..and the lunitics really are running the asylum ....if the goverment was a factory they would've been closed long ago ive never seen miss-managment like it except the refereeing of the hand of god incident 1986....sorry for the insane babbling on im tired ! oh my god ive just read my post what am i talking about is it even relavent to anything ??? neeeed sleep nitenite

Doug · 07-12-2005, 02:49

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Originally Posted by shakermaker

because by nature we are a nation of rebels!!
it seems we've picked a fight with every Tom, Dick & Harry going!
and as for the uproar of punk, well.....

...pure genius

I like you, I really do. But I must protest. The Irish are Rebels, The Scots where and the Walsh, well that another shaggy sheep story, But the English as a nation of Rebels, "and mark the fact that I face a ban by saying this" is utter Bollocks Shakey….

Doug · 07-12-2005, 02:54

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Originally Posted by geoff70

sorry for the insane babbling on im tired !

No Geoff, the babblings good, keep it up tomorrow when I’m refreshed and sober…..I've enjoyed this, now I'm struggling to see. good night and who or whatever your chosen God, God Bless.

shakermaker · 07-12-2005, 03:02

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Originally Posted by Doug

I like you, I really do. But I must protest. The Irish are Rebels, The Scots where and the Walsh, well that another shaggy sheep story, But the English as a nation of Rebels, "and mark the fact that I face a ban by saying this" is utter Bollocks Shakey….

...i intended the word nation to mean Britain, Doug

...im sure there are a FEW rebels amongst us English!!

:engsmil:

...and where does Louis Walsh come into it?!?!

lettie · 07-12-2005, 07:40

David Cameron.......I'm willing to wait and see how he gets on

Civil ceremonies... I think that it is about time that gay couples had legal help in order to protect their rights. I wouldn't call this marriage but a practical solution to a potentially awful problem. I have seen it happen where families of a sick gay man have shunned his long term partner in the hospital, made all the decisions and not even invited the partner to the funeral. I wonder whether my uncle will do this as he has been with his partner for 25 years......a darned sight longer than most hetero marriages.

Bad-Wolf · 07-12-2005, 08:57

As a conservative all my life I have to disagree with many of the comments above. Cameron may indeed have the gift of the gab and may have won over many conservative party member's into thinking that he is the answer.

If anyone saw this cretin being interviewed by Paxman a couple of weeks ago then wou will have noticed how he went out the way to avoid the questions being asked and also that he changed his mind about policies he had endorsed only a few weeks earlier. He is (I am sorry to say) like most other politicians that have been seen this last few years. In other words, he is a liar who will say whatever he thinks people want him to say in order to get into power. I would like to warrant that what ever he does do, assuming of course they win the next election will be pretty much what Blair did, which as we all know was not what he said he would be doing!

As another matter of point, Garinda is right. It is a civil contract between partners in order to recognise their union/partnership not a wedding or marriage. This arrangement of course is one which will only be recognised by the state and not by any of the main stream religions.

SPUGGIE J · 07-12-2005, 10:04

Wolfie if he turns out as bad as the comments you made imply he will then President Blair will still be at downing street. Maybe he needs a good backbone and not the attitude that "i can be as Blair as Blair" for that will just come back and haunt him and the party. If they hope to win the next election they need to be original and forceful with no backtracking.

jelly baby · 07-12-2005, 12:41

I agree that the civil rights of same sex couples should be protected, but when are the civil rights of hetero couples who have lived together for years going to be protected?