That Iraqi War (again)

[Busman747]

Its that old chestnut again, The Iraqi War!

I don't apologise, the events in Iraq seem to have been put on the back burner for some time now, people in the U.K. and even on the accywebdo not seem to be aware that THEIR soldiers are being killed/murdered in that distant land ..........and their conception reflects the views given by the "politically correct" and the more "aggressive" papers that NEED the headlines.

I started a thread a few weeks ago that fell flat. My intention was to highlight the fact that the majority of Iraqi's are celebrating the liberation of their country by America and the U.K............but many, including the muslim community prefer to read the propaganda dribble that is written in the tabloids WHOSE SIDE ARE THOSE PRESS PEOPLE ON????

For gods sake, you are all computer literate, those that read this, check out what is really happening in the world!!!

Most American web sites rejoice in the fact that their soldiers are freeing the world of killers and oppressors and are saving thousands of lives. but "good old England" don't seem to give a damn!! YES!! Oil is important, consider your life without fuel Russia is at this moment, holding its Balkan states to ransom over the price of oil, imagine if WE had to rely on Russian supplies because the Arab states would not supply to US?

HERE is yet another report on the attitude of the most important people in this dispute, the Iraqi people reported by Michael. J. Totter.

is there honestly anyone out there that can say that we should not intervene? It is a few thousand miles away? it will not affect us? Do YOU rely on information given by our media to supply the truth as to what is happening half way around the world?...........or will you surf the net to find out the real truth

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Busman747

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YES!! Oil is important, consider your life without fuel Russia is at this moment, holding its Balkan states to ransom over the price of oil, imagine if WE had to rely on Russian supplies because the Arab states would not supply to US?

But we have no legitimate authority to go and steal other peoples oil to maintain our unsustainable economies.

If we want to continue with the power consumption we do then we have to find other ways of obtaining that power or have a change of lifestyle, because what happens when the Iraqi oil runs out? Do we go and invade Russia?

Technology in the light of environmental renewable sources of energy, is not great enough for us to wholly rely on it, hence our still major reliance on oil. We can't just sit around and wait for technology to fix our problems, because what if its not developed in time?

We need to build nuclear plants and secure our futures, and our childrens futures as nuclear provides a solid plan for which we know the outcome, sustainable power. War isn't the answer to our needs.

[Acrylic-bob]

One sad truth of the situation re: the media is "good news does not sell papers". Another, even sadder verity, is that the first casualty of war is the truth.

The public, in general, cannot be bothered to read anything. This is why the government has to spend countless millions on education/information campaigns. It makes one wonder why we are so concerned that all of our children are taught a skill which so few of them will ever really make use of.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by Cyfr

But we have no legitimate authority to go and steal other peoples oil to maintain our unsustainable economies.

Steal?

I was under the impression we pay for it.

[Eric]

It's a war fought for no really good reason ... unless there are still some who believe in the "weopons of mass destruction" BS. In the Cowboy metality, there are the guys with the white hats and the guys with the black hats. Saddam was a bad guy. There are complications of course, Ghadaffi had a black hat, now he has a pale grey one. It is not so much stealing the oil, as guaranteeing the flow of that oil to the "right" markets, at fair market value. And we all know who needs the oil and its continued unfettered availability. The cure for oil depravation does have unfortunate side effects. Terrorism comes to mind. And the unneccesary deaths of young men and women in the armed forces. Thank god that Prime Minister Chretien refused to join Bush in the Iraqi fiasco. It's bad enough for us that Canadians are dying in significant numbers in the side show in Afghanistan. Another two last saturday.

The two major prioities: Support the troops. Work, as voters and members of democratic nations, to end the conflict.

[Eric]

Oil is not a major concern for Canada, we have a thriving oil industry and massive reserves. When the price of the stuff goes up, we have problems with our currency, trying to keep the loonie from going into orbit. So what our govt. is trying to sell us is that Canadian troops are involved not for oil, but to bring peace and stability to Afghanistan and to improve thier quality of life. It's a hard sell. The govt. tries to tell us that our troops are, well, like boy scouts doing their good deeds. But the generals tell us something different. For them it is a combat mission.

I know this looks like a wander, but I do think that Iraq and Afghanistan and what is going on in Pakistan (good luck sorting that one out) are all part of the same ugly game. However, I do believe that if there was no oil in the Middle East, no one would give a flying you-know-what about the place.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Steal?

I was under the impression we pay for it.

Its essentially free though, because we destroyed Iraq and now all the American businesses are making a fortune there, paid for by oil money.

[derekgas]

I think 'apathy' plays a big part in our interest, or lack of it, we live in a society that disagrees with most local and national government policies, but, our selfish concern with our immediate surroundings, (most of it materialistic), outweigh our concern, enough that we do not do anything about it, even if people were not so apathetic, finding the truth in a political agenda would be difficult, if not impossible, and the media want to sell headlines, not truths!