Thatchers eighties are back - London Riots

[cashman]

its summat i said earlier, this is not anti-political action n only fools try to make it so, this is oppertunistic, lawless scum, wi no concern fer decent citizens, think twas margaretP suggested earlier, use water cannon wi DYE, on em, much easier then to identify n deal with. occasionally there have been uprising/riots etc oer last 40/50 yrs, they have been using water cannon in holland that long, wonder how much aggro like this they have had? have been a few times n found the dutch to be reasonably tolerant,happy people. but this silly cow of n home secretary says "Its not the british way" well maybe not if it aint happening in the area she lives.

[Margaret Pilkington]

surely it is not beyond the realms of possibility for one of the MET commanders to get a few of these water cannons sent over pronto...with a hefty supply of smart water......the thugs will not realise that it is anything other than ordinary water....but it can be seen under special lights and does not wash off...then haul their sorry carcasses before the courts.(suspend their human rights, after all they didn't consider the human rights of those who lived above the shops they torched)
Don't jail 'em chain them together and make them work their nads off, cleaning up the damage.
Surely there must be someone out there with the cojones to make an executive decision...these thugs are laughing in the face of what is supposed to be authority....and the tax payers are paying for a service they are clearly not receiving.

This not about politics, it isn't about a protest for Mark Duggan, it isn't about deprivation......the loss of the youth clubs has nothing at all to do with it. This is about pure greed, materialism and thuggery.

[Neil]

I now understand why the police are pussy footing about, Iran is urging us to restrain our Police.

PressTV - Iran urges UK to restrain police

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Neil

I now understand why the police are pussy footing about, Iran is urging us to restrain our Police.

PressTV - Iran urges UK to restrain police

probably pussyfooting about cos of under resource,n a bit also of "me job" "me Pension"

[Neil]

Originally Posted by cashman

probably pussyfooting about cos of under resource,n a bit also of "me job" "me Pension"

Nope its because Iran asked us to

I wonder if anyone is thinking if they mess up sorting out the riots because they are understaffed the government will magically find more money to have a change of plan on reducing the police force?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Maybe they could raid the pot marked 'Foreign Aid'...because pretty soon now we won't have a pot to put any foreign aid in.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Neil

Nope its because Iran asked us to

I wonder if anyone is thinking if they mess up sorting out the riots because they are understaffed the government will magically find more money to have a change of plan on reducing the police force?

dunno they probably think, why risk it,sod all much will happen to em.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by cashman

dunno they probably think, why risk it,sod all much will happen to em.

I think that is a very valid point. The PM talks about punishing those responsible but what will the punishment be, a slap on the wrist?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Theresa May has just been saying that they don't want to get the army in or resort to the use of water cannons.....'We don't do things like that...we police by consent'...what on earth does she mean...the consent of who?.... The rioters...or the people that the police are supposed to be protecting?

This mess should be cleared up in any way that is possible, and that doesn't resort to people losing their lives.
This pussy footing around gives the thugs, the anarchists a free rein to do whatever they please..........and David Cameron saying that the perpetrators will 'feel the full weight of the law'......What kind of joke is that? If a murderer gets out of clink in four years(one of Baby P's Killers) then the rioters can expect what???....maybe a week or two at HMP...with all mod cons.
It'll be like a holiday camp. And who's to say that once in clink they won't kick off and wreck that place too?

I despair...I really do despair.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Theresa May has just been saying that they don't want to get the army in or resort to the use of water cannons.....'We don't do things like that...we police by consent'...what on earth does she mean...the consent of who?.... The rioters...or the people that the police are supposed to be protecting?

This mess should be cleared up in any way that is possible, and that doesn't resort to people losing their lives.
This pussy footing around gives the thugs, the anarchists a free rein to do whatever they please..........and David Cameron saying that the perpetrators will 'feel the full weight of the law'......What kind of joke is that? If a murderer gets out of clink in four years(one of Baby P's Killers) then the rioters can expect what???....maybe a week or two at HMP...with all mod cons.
It'll be like a holiday camp. And who's to say that once in clink they won't kick off and wreck that place too?

I despair...I really do despair.

Quite right, Margaret, weasel words from weak, shallow politicians. What our leaders should be doing now is deploying the weapons that are going to curb this scum...water cannon, tear gas, rubber bullets or perhaps bringing the army in.

In the longer term, this should also serve as a wake-up call to embark on a much-needed reform of criminal law and the judicial system in this country. Harsher sentences, more rigorous punishments and more emphasis on the rights of ordinary, law-abiding citizens of any race, creed or colour to live their lives in peace and a lot LESS emphasis on the "yooman rights" of the feral scum that currently infest our society.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Quite right, Margaret, weasel words from weak, shallow politicians. What our leaders should be doing now is deploying the weapons that are going to curb this scum...water cannon, tear gas, rubber bullets or perhaps bringing the army in.

In the longer term, this should also serve as a wake-up call to embark on a much-needed reform of criminal law and the judicial system in this country. Harsher sentences, more rigorous punishments and more emphasis on the rights of ordinary, law-abiding citizens of any race, creed or colour to live their lives in peace and a lot LESS emphasis on the "yooman rights" of the feral scum that currently infest our society.

its whats needed, but doubt very much if it will ever come to pass, they have not got the resources to deal wi this, nor sadly the "WILL" fancy talks fine, but its "Action" that matters, n "Backbone" neither are in abundance in any of em.

[Margaret Pilkington]

The issue of resources doesn't come into it. And by saying that, it is almost accepting it, and thinking that it cannot change....it has to change or we will be back to the days when it wasn't safe to walk on the street at night for fear of brigands and robbers...back to beyond the days of Margaret Thatcher back to pre-victorian times...is that what you want?

These riots are the results of years...no, decades of pussy footing around issues that should have been dealt with in a much firmer way...for years parents, authorities, schools, the police and judiciary have taken the line of least resistance...but it has been dressed in all kinds of clothes...political correctness being one of them.
This has led to levels of respect falling...respect for parents, teachers, schools, the law......the people involved in this criminal activity, dressed up as riots, have had no firm boundaries in their lives, no role models, save for the z list celebs they want to ape....and many of them probably have no stable male influence in their lives.
Root causes......these are the root causes. The fabric of society has been weakened(probably forever) by taking the soft option.

[accyman]

i think the cutting short of holidays is more than enough to show these thugs whos in control

Cameron and co are probably willing to let this drag on because its deflecting interest away from the news of the world issues and his pal murdoch

If this was any other country it wold be sorted by now and teh troops sent in but hang on where are all our troops.Yup policing other countries

[Margaret Pilkington]

Coming bacl from holiday doesn't seem to have galvanized anyone into some kind of useful activity.......as much good as a tripe spanner/hammer/shovel!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

The issue of resources doesn't come into it. And by saying that, it is almost accepting it, and thinking that it cannot change....it has to change or we will be back to the days when it wasn't safe to walk on the street at night for fear of brigands and robbers...back to beyond the days of Margaret Thatcher back to pre-victorian times...is that what you want?

These riots are the results of years...no, decades of pussy footing around issues that should have been dealt with in a much firmer way...for years parents, authorities, schools, the police and judiciary have taken the line of least resistance...but it has been dressed in all kinds of clothes...political correctness being one of them.
This has led to levels of respect falling...respect for parents, teachers, schools, the law......the people involved in this criminal activity, dressed up as riots, have had no firm boundaries in their lives, no role models, save for the z list celebs they want to ape....and many of them probably have no stable male influence in their lives.
Root causes......these are the root causes. The fabric of society has been weakened(probably forever) by taking the soft option.

Sorry but resources does come into it, the fact we have NO water cannon in the country, will not at this point call in the army, these are additional resources that are needed, the rest of yer post i agree wi.