Thatchers eighties are back - London Riots

[Tealeaf]

I'm afraid so, Wynonnie. There was no trouble here on Monday night other than the Tesco getting turned over by hooded Bengali youths. That's about a quarter of a mile south of the East London mosque and it's possible the same lot then did a runner east along Commercial Rd, down Watney market and hopped on the DLR at Shadwell.

I did notice the local wine shop on Garnet St (indigenous owned) was the only place that was closed last night but that all the corner shops (Bengali owned) did have people stood outside them. Apart than the Tesco incident, nowt's happened round here other than an exercise in vivid imagination by the dominant ethnic community that they were in some way being targeted.

[jaysay]

Not sure whether this will work but these are a few people of "interest" to the police



One from manchester I hope

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Neil

The recall is to make us think they are doing something. Just like the PM coming home from holiday was a waste of time. He cant do anything, its a police matter but he came back because the people expected it.

Yes Neil...and therein lies the problem.
Over the years the electorate has been bamboozled with smoke and mirrors from our politicians......we have been given soundbites when we needed sense...and committee meetings when what we really needed was decisive action.
Maybe it is the politicians version of the Engineers Rule ........you know the one? 'when you don't know what you are doing, walk fast and look worried'

They confuse meetings, the recall of Parliament and committees with decisive action.....Someone should enlighten them.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I have heard this morning that they are going to use plastic bullets......good! Just one little problem...it is about 5 days too late.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I have heard this morning that they are going to use plastic bullets......good! Just one little problem...it is about 5 days too late.

No doubt with that announcement Shami chapatti or what ever she's called will re rubbing her hands, "they can't do that these poor lost souls have right you know"

[Margaret Pilkington]

And now they have contingency plans for using water cannon too(hope they are going to use smart water in them) hooray, at last some sensible moves are being taken.
John, it is the likes of Shami Chakrabati who have weakened the justice meted out to these thugs.

The rights of these poor souls are to behave within the law, if they choose to do otherwise then their human rights should be forfeited.

I was under the impression that this government made a promise to review the European Human Rights Act.

[cashman]

Thing is though whilst these new measures are welcome, i fear the end result is NOT. ok take em to court,tough sentences, which means great expense, all will require legal aid- more great expense,, then no doubt some will sue fer treatment in gaol, even more expense, end result- they come outa gaol at the end of sentence, much better criminals than when they entered,cos they now learnt "All the moves" my solution would be, all those caught in this mayhem- CONSCRIPT EM, much less cost, cuts out all the legal expenses, End Result- they come outa the army having learnt some semblance of Respect @ obediance, n just maybe theres a chance of em fitting in wi society.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

And now they have contingency plans for using water cannon too....

Another move to pacify the public who think they should be used. Last night they would have had the water cannons in London where nothing happened so it would have been a waste of time.

[Margaret Pilkington]

I would hope there would be enough of them to be deployed in all major cities.(if there aren't, then get some in) If these vile youths think they can get away with it once.....don't you think they will do it again...perhaps in a few months?
I don't suppose they would have been a waste of time a few nights ago...but hey, we will never know as no-one took the decsion to get them made available.

How would you have dealt with the mobs Neil, just out of interest.

[lancsdave]

Looks like this is not only spontaneus stuff but maybe a lot of them have actually been educated by their teacher in to the art of being a crininal

London riots: Teacher, 31, pleads guilty to looting as court cases start - mirror.co.uk

[cashman]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Looks like this is not only spontaneus stuff but maybe a lot of them have actually been educated by their teacher in to the art of being a crininal

London riots: Teacher, 31, pleads guilty to looting as court cases start - mirror.co.uk

yeh like the P.M. says they are really getting Tough on em, in yer link it say a student fined £150. that'll teach em.

[steeljack]

Harriet Harman says one of the causes of the riots was the Govt.s cut in student grants/allowances .......does anyone actually think that 99% of those involved have ever opened a book or can actually read

[Margaret Pilkington]

I think any politician that make mileage out of these riots to promote own party, is almost as bad as the rioters...because it gives the rioters a hook to hang their miscreant deeds on.

These riots had nothing to do with politics......but everything to do with greed and bankrupt morals.
They are trying to excuse and justify the inexcusable.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I think any politician that make mileage out of these riots to promote own party, is almost as bad as the rioters.

A prime example being dear Harriet, who last night tried to make political capital out of the fact that Nick Clegg and Boris Johnson had been booed on walkabouts and Ed Milliband hadn't.

[steeljack]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

A prime example being dear Harriet, who last night tried to make political capital out of the fact that Nick Clegg and Boris Johnson had been booed on walkabouts and Ed Milliband hadn't.

Think this woman should be used as a test crash dummy
BBC News - Newsnight - Gove accuses Harman of 'double dealing' on riots cause