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[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I meant control literally as in 'directing conduct and activity'.
Curbing population growth by contraception is encouraged where social norms make it acceptable.

You mean like they do in China Margaret, where no family is allowed to have more that two children, would certainly screw a lot of people up in this country

[MargaretR]

'Control' means monitoring/controlling the movement of individuals
ie more than just controlling an increase in numbers

[garinda]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Population control is not a new topic.
All governments need to excercise it to some extent.
How governments do it varies according to the type of government.
As population figures spiral out of control, a need for greater control arises.

In 'democratic' societies methods have to be more subtle and take longer.

If you want to know 'who' - it is no longer a matter of 'follow the money', because money is a finite resource, and some have more than they could ever use, so seek other 'stimuli' - power.

The need for 'power over the masses' is the ultimate goal of a few.
Politicians are their puppets at the dirty end of the control, and politicians' reasons for complying are varied, wealth accumulation and self aggrandisement are but two.

Yes, yes.

But you said it was 'planned', and no government would admit to this.

So how did the information you're passing on, get into the public domain?

You'd think such an important person would have a name, and be armed with vital evidence, to show what you're passing on to true.

Unless of course you've been fed misinformation...to keep you happy.

That theory I would applaud.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

'Control' means monitoring/controlling the movement of individuals
ie more than just controlling an increase in numbers

Share your secret.

Don't be mean.

How have you avoided this contol, that the rest of us poor sods are under?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Share your secret.

Don't be mean.

How have you avoided this contol, that the rest of us poor sods are under?

Now whats her formula, eye of toad and toe of newt

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Now whats her formula, eye of toad and toe of newt

Don't forget, spleen of doubter.



Keep the (mind controlling) faith.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by garinda

Share your secret.

Don't be mean.

How have you avoided this contol, that the rest of us poor sods are under?

Just by being aware that there is this control and accepting that it is meant to be that way.

I have no whistleblower.
Politicians of the past gave us hints


President Woodrow Wilson: 1916 “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not
behind the scenes." —Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli of England, in 1844.

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." —Woodrow Wilson

"David Rockefeller is the most conspicuous representative today of the ruling class, a multinational fraternity of men who shape the global economy and manage the flow of its capital. Rockefeller was born to it, and he has made the most of it. But what some critics see as a vast international conspiracy, he considers a circumstance of life and just another day's work... In the world of David Rockefeller it's hard to tell where business ends and politics begins" —Bill Moyers

[garinda]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

Just by being aware that there is this control and accepting that it is meant to be that way.

I have no whistleblower.
Politicians of the past gave us hints


President Woodrow Wilson: 1916 “I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not
behind the scenes." —Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli of England, in 1844.

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." —Woodrow Wilson

"David Rockefeller is the most conspicuous representative today of the ruling class, a multinational fraternity of men who shape the global economy and manage the flow of its capital. Rockefeller was born to it, and he has made the most of it. But what some critics see as a vast international conspiracy, he considers a circumstance of life and just another day's work... In the world of David Rockefeller it's hard to tell where business ends and politics begins" —Bill Moyers

I'm not getting at you personally Margaret.

I'm afraid I just don't buy it.

I believe no one.

Unlike you.

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Now whats her formula, eye of toad and toe of newt

Perhaps she hasn't been able to avoid the 'washing', maybe the grand plan is to have a few people like her feeding us snippets of misinformation so that we, the great unwashed, (perhaps that should be we the great brain washed, rinsed & dried), would be more pliable and willing to accept 'their' version of our truth than this stuff that whiffs like a bulls backside?

[garinda]

I'm sure there's not one person here who believes there isn't offical censorship of information, under the guise of propaganda.

This has always happened since man created societies to live in.

What I find laughable is a few deluded people think they, and only themselves, know 'the real truth'.

Sorry if it shatters any illusions, but truth isn't a concrete entity.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by garinda

I'm not getting at you personally Margaret.

I'm afraid I just don't buy it.

I believe no one.

Unlike you.

As is your right - but you did ask, which is a sign that you are willing to consider an alternative version of reality.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

As is your right - but you did ask, which is a sign that you are willing to consider an alternative version of reality.

Yes, I asked.

Like religion, no fact based answers were forthcoming.

Very disappointed.

It would have been a great comfort.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by garinda

Yes, I asked.

Like religion, no fact based answers were forthcoming.

Very disappointed.

It would have been a great comfort.

I found it very disconcerting, and was more comfortable not knowing.
I now accept it as just part of life experience.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

When considering the result of their social 'engineering' no government is likely to admit it, nor have advisors employed officially.

Yeah, of course they do. Government is pretty blatant about it. They have thousands of minions of the state spread across the country social engineering the future generations. At school they even taught people not to steal from others just in case their parents hadn't told them.

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