Thatchers eighties are back - London Riots - Page 5

Margaret Pilkington · 07-08-2011, 10:19

The same place as your capital letters and puctuation...find them and you might find the Government.

The man the riot started over was a crook...a petty criminal. He shot a policeman.....but his family say he wasn't an aggressive man.......but he was carrying a gun? How is that not aggressive?

The riot started out as a protest.....since when did protesters loot retail parks and run off with trolley loads of clothes, Televisions. computers....since when did looting become part of a protest??

You are so blinkered in your ideas.......and when you think you are not winning the argument, you change the course of the thread and ask where the government is.
Quite plainly, pathetic.

Boeing Guy · 07-08-2011, 10:25

So a man shoots at Police, he is then shot and killed, regrettable but that's what happens and a bunch of thugs decide to riot.

Good job it did not happen in Accrington, after all your beloved Labour government closed our police station at night.

This is what happens when you make firearms illegal and fail to put measures in place to deal with the consequences, oh sorry that was you lot did that.

Oh and I am still waiting for you to show us a posting you made before last years general election, that criticised, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown or any one in the Labour government, as I could not find one post in your history.

jaysay · 07-08-2011, 10:30

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it was the greed of the private sector did that and i do condemn as the labour mp who has just done the same.where are the goverment ministers

You do talk some utter clap trap, that jackass of a chancellor thieved billions of pound from the pension funds paid in over many years by ordinary hard working people, just to throw down the toilet, you try telling my partner who has never voted Tory in her life that shes a greedy private sector worker when she is £78 a week worse of than she should have been, and she stuff it right down your throat you plank

cmonstanley · 07-08-2011, 10:35

nobody knows what happened thats why there is an investigation. i have admitted that labour made mistakes but still done good for the poor thats why the crime rates went down and now the tories are back crime is rising again and i know why .if you made fre arms legal every police man/woman would have to have a gun and that would cost billions.where are the tory ministers

Boeing Guy · 07-08-2011, 10:37

Where were you when Labour were screwing the country, oh yes you never said a word. You really think people believe anything you say, you have a link to private eye, did you used to just read the funny pages and miss everything before the vicar of st wherever it was. I must admit I do like Dave Snooty though.

cmonstanley · 07-08-2011, 10:39

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Originally Posted by jaysay

You do talk some utter clap trap, that jackass of a chancellor thieved billions of pound from the pension funds paid in over many years by ordinary hard working people, just to throw down the toilet, you try telling my partner who has never voted Tory in her life that shes a greedy private sector worker when she is £78 a week worse of than she should have been, and she stuff it right down your throat you plank

yes it did by creating tax dodging schemes that helped create the tax defecit.by the way the tories did shut down 15 local youth clubs in tottenham which would have contributed a community who relied on these for support..where are the coalition leaders where are they

Boeing Guy · 07-08-2011, 10:41

Not going to argue with you, because as they say, you cannot argue with ......

jaysay · 07-08-2011, 10:47

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

yes it did by creating tax dodging schemes that helped create the tax defecit.by the way the tories did shut down 15 local youth clubs in tottenham which would have contributed a community who relied on these for support..where are the coalition leaders where are they

Like most people on bloody holiday, including Mr ED and company

cmonstanley · 07-08-2011, 11:00

he should be back in the country with financial meltdown now riots i dont think he should leave william hague[yes gaddafi has left libya] hague in charge.he should be showing leadership qualities and be back in the country.

Margaret Pilkington · 07-08-2011, 11:13

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i have admitted that labour made mistakes

Where was that admission? I must've missed it.

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but still done good for the poor thats why the crime rates went down

How do these two issues relate?. Maybe crime rates went down because they changed the way the statistics were collected and collated.

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and now the tories are back crime is rising again

Can you prove this with up to date statistics then?

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

and i know why .if you made fire arms legal every police man/woman would have to have a gun and that would cost billions.

It isn't the legal firearms that are a problem in this country. It is the fact that firearms which are unregistered/unlicensed are in the hands of people who use them as status symbols...but know nothing of the safe way to handle/keep them......the gang members that roam estates all over this country. It is the fact that it is relatively easy to come by an illegal weapon. It is very very difficult to control something which is an unknown quantity.
The police only carry guns in certain circumstances. The shooting of Mark Duggan was one of those circumstances....he was(allegedly) carrying a firearm...he was a threat to the police...but aah, he wasn't aggressive...he was just 'into some things'....criminal activities.

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where are the tory ministers

Where are the Liberal democrats, where are the Labour ministers......what does it matter? Do you think they would have made a difference to the outcome of the events?

MargaretR · 07-08-2011, 11:14

This link provides an interesting video indicating that spending cuts may well have contributed to these riots
Haringey youth club closures: 'There'll be riots' - video | Society | guardian.co.uk

cashman · 07-08-2011, 11:22

so they closed 8 of 13 youth clubs n agree it may have contributed to this mayhem, are kids today incapable of making there own amusement? if so what does that tell yeh?

Margaret Pilkington · 07-08-2011, 11:26

No, the riot was as a result of a protest for some guy who was shot by the police(while doing their duty)....the riot was an opportunty for looting and arson. It was an opportunity for feral youths to go on the rampage.....putting the lives of the emergency services at risk....mindless thugs. I don't think the closure of the youth clubs had anything to do with this riot.

MargaretR · 07-08-2011, 11:30

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Originally Posted by cashman

so they closed 8 of 13 youth clubs n agree it may have contributed to this mayhem, are kids today incapable of making there own amusement? if so what does that tell yeh?

In areas of high youth unemployment and poor standards of education, youths form gangs in order to indulge in criminal activity, which will provide them with money to finance a lifestyle that they see others are enjoying.

lancsdave · 07-08-2011, 11:48

I knew when they closed the public facilties on Peel St that signing a petition was not the right peaceful way to go about things. We should have burnt down the town hall, set fire to the Arndale and injured all the police who turned up to stop us. Seems that way is more justified these days