Thatchers eighties are back - London Riots

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

In areas of high youth unemployment and poor standards of education

There is the problem right there ! Because people fail to achieve either through their own laziness, government failure & interference, lack of social skills or whatever, that doesn't justify or excuse such behaviour. For every one of these antisocial, uneducated deficients who think that society owes them something there are several other decent folk struggling along just trying to make their way despite their own disadvantages & hardships.

What these "protesters" fail to accept is responsibility for their own actions & blame others for their degenerate attitudes & logic. These "people" are at a nadir of their own choosing due to a lack of moral conscience & a non acceptance of established social behaviour.

[MargaretR]

It is interesting to note that food shops were among those looted.
When spending cuts reduce incomes, at the same time as inflation increases food costs, even normally law abiding people will steal to feed their families.

This is how the French revolution began, and the revolutions being described as 'the arab spring' have an element of protest against food costs.

PS I am not justifying the actions of either side of this 'conflict' - just trying to identify the possible causes.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Margaret, I doubt that any of these looters were starving. I bet they all had mobile phones. They looted whatever they could because they could. These people do not respect the police or the law of the land...they take no responsibility for themselves, they expect the government to do it all for them........they think the country owes them a living with everything that the rest of society works hard for.

[cmonstanley]

this i where the local community and including gangs met with police now there is no social cohesian with the polce and the youth.these community centres were helping to build bridges in the long history of this community with the police if you cant see that your very naive.labour are not in goverment the tories are whether we like it or not he is the elected leader of the country and should be showing he is the leader.it just shows after 12 hours he doesnt give a hoot and rubbing it in our faces.

[cmonstanley]

the plonker on telly deny deny

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

this i where the local community and including gangs met with police now there is no social cohesian with the polce and the youth.these community centres were helping to build bridges in the long history of this community with the police if you cant see that your very naive.labour are not in goverment the tories are whether we like it or not he is the elected leader of the country and should be showing he is the leader.it just shows after 12 hours he doesnt give a hoot and rubbing it in our faces.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The tories are not in government......it is a coalition government.......

It is you who are naive. If it hadn't been for the way a Labour government spent money until there was nothing left, then the cuts would not have been necessary....so don't absolve your precious labour party of its sins so easily.

What could David Cameron, or Nick Clegg achieve if they did return from their holiday? Would it make any difference to the situation? You would find something else to sneer about if he was walking in the community where this event happened.
Whatever the coalition government do would never find favour with you.

[lancsdave]

Doesn't matter how many ways people try to justify it, there is no reason on earth to justify these scum. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Doesn't matter how many ways people try to justify it, there is no reason on earth to justify these scum. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

Spot on. There is no justification for violence or criminal behaviour of this kind.

[MargaretR]

"When people lose everything and have nothing left to lose - they 'lose it' " ...Gerald Celente

There are tent cities in many countries, including USA, indicating that capitalism is no longer a system that serves humanity.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Spot on. There is no justification for violence or criminal behaviour of this kind.

There seems to be fer some people.,still no condemnation. only of government.

[torquemada]

I'm all for peaceful demonstrations but when they turn to people destroying property be it financial or private and looting all looters should be shot dead. These thieves cost us all more in the long run through increased insurences.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

youths form gangs in order to indulge in criminal activity, which will provide them with money to finance a lifestyle that they see others are enjoying.

The lifestyle they choose is about respect. They get respect by indulging in violence and criminal activity. If they put as much energy into finding something useful to do, getting an education, finding work then they would not have to resort to these criminal activities. They have grown up with the idea that it is someone else's responsibility to provide them with the things they want. They have grown up in families where no-one goes to work....there are no stabilising influences in their lives.

Situations like this arise because of a 'pack' mentality. Young men get stoked up and encourage one another to join in the riotous activity.
In the end it was nothing to do with a protest, it was to do with destroying as much of their environment as they could....now they will be deprived of shops and many innocent people are also deprived of their homes and their belongings because of the mobs thoughtless behaviour.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Young men get stoked up and encourage one another to join in the riotous activity.

It's not just young men these days, the women are as wild. Was watching the news this morning and one women was actually trying on the trainers she had just looted from a sports shop to see if they fit

[MargaretR]

The incident which sparked the protest rally is reported here -
Tottenham shooting: Investigation launched after man shot dead by police | News
..and it is interesting to note one eye witness said -
"About three or four police officers had both men pinned on the ground at gunpoint. They were really big guns and then I heard four loud shots. The police shot him on the floor."

This is reminiscent of the death of John Charles Menesez
Death of Jean Charles de Menezes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The officers of Operation Trident are performing a difficult and dangerous function to remove guns from the streets.
They have had some successes but if they stoop to assassinations they are acting outside the laws they purport to uphold.

Press reports and subsequent 'enquiries' cannot be relied be relied on to reveal the truth.
The Government spending cuts are likely to cause Operation Trident to be disbanded, so the officers employed in it are likely to be having 'low morale' as their efforts have been worthless.
Operation Trident may be ditched in spending cuts | UK news | The Guardian

When you stand back from 'judging' what has happened and delve into the underlying causes, it does not make what happened 'excusable' but at least it makes the incident 'understandable'

[cashman]

yeh can post all the quotes yeh like, but no-way is that sorta action understandable.