That's very kind of you your Holiness

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Who gives a toss? (not a pun)..maybe unfortunate african tribes or long gone Aztecs that were beaten into going along with the ideas of the Catholic Church will get thier own ideas.. instead of getting thier instructions from some hyped up cretin in Rome.

Can i assume ya gave Mass a miss yesterday then mancie?

[Benipete]

It's about time they got another lady Pope.:That would sort them out.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Benipete

It's about time they got another lady Pope.:That would sort them out.

Or attract more people back to church

[walkinman221]

Originally Posted by jaysay

You do if your P*****

Depends on how p***** you are because you might not be able to step up to the plate, but a good point. As Billy Connelly said "The withdrawl method must have been invented by a celibate person because at that moment wild horses couldnt drag my a*** backwards"

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by walkinman221

Depends on how p***** you are because you might not be able to step up to the plate, but a good point. As Billy Connelly said "The withdrawl method must have been invented by a celibate person because at that moment wild horses couldnt drag my a*** backwards"

ya I think I once remember billy saying at one of his gigs that he had the catholic rhythm method to thank for his very existence

[JCB]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

I thought that was what the phrase "in the world, but not of the world" was meant to explain.




I was always under the impression that the Mass was unchanging; same Victim, same Sacrifice, offered eternally. Or have I gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick here?

Correct on both points .

A Christian doesn't expect the truth on faith and morals he/she believes in to be changed by the world . Quite the reverse , he/she hopes the world will be changed by the truth of Christianity .
Where Christianity has compromised with the world the results have not been good . For example the " conversion " of the Emperor Constantine led to a fall in Christian values . The adoption of a political role by some popes led them into a princely , monarchical role , neglecting their pastoral duties and bringing about a deterioration of Christian standards .


True , the substance of the Mass given to us by Jesus is unchanging , but the way that substance is celebrated has developed over the centuries . In recent years there has been considerable change in how the Mass is celebrated .
1. The reform of the scripture readings , so that we have four Bible passages each Sunday over a three-year cycle , which covers the major parts of the Bible .
2. The reception of Communion under both forms of bread and wine for those who wish .
3. An increasing role for lay people in the Mass .
4. The restructuring of the altar so that the priest is not facing away from the rest of the people .
5. The use of English instead of Latin and Greek .
6. The adoption of many hymns once looked upon as Protestant , and a vast growth of new hymns .
7. The simplification of the Mass by scrapping repetition and some parts which had crept in over the centuries and were not really suitable .
8. The increase in the number of the Eucharistic Prayers ( the central prayer of the Mass ) , instead of being stuck with the one Roman Canon .
9. Masses written for the specific use of children .
10. Christians of churches which are not Catholic playing an active role in the Mass when it is suitable .

I could go on . So much has happened since the Second Vatican Council to bring reform in all areas of the Church's life . Sadly so many are unaware of it , or have been badly introduced to it .

[Benipete]

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I could go on . So much has happened since the Second Vatican Council to bring reform in all areas of the Church's life . Sadly so many are unaware of it , or have been badly introduced to it .

I do hope that you won't.

[accyman]

am i correct in assuming the popes imaginary friend whispered its ok to rubber up into his ear or has the pope gone rougue and is now making his own rules up ?

[Eric]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I've always said its out of order a man making all the rules when he doesn't play the game

As in when overfed govt. ministers tell us to "tighten the belt", and then go off for a 20 course lunch for a sawbuck

[JCB]

Originally Posted by Benipete

Quote:
I could go on . So much has happened since the Second Vatican Council to bring reform in all areas of the Church's life . Sadly so many are unaware of it , or have been badly introduced to it .

I do hope that you won't.

I promise I won't . Cross my heart and hope to die .

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Eric

As in when overfed govt. ministers tell us to "tighten the belt", and then go off for a 20 course lunch for a sawbuck

So you've seen photos of Two Jags and Nicholas Soames then Eric