The Age of Criminal Responsibility

[garinda]

I think corporal punishment is a good deterrent, from behaving badly, and help children learn right from wrong.

It must also help character building...for those fooolish enough ever to be caught.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

I think corporal punishment is a good deterrent, from behaving badly, and help children learn right from wrong.

It must also help character building...for those fooolish enough ever to be caught.

Seems you were foolish like me

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Seems you were foolish like me

I was never caned, or had the slipper at school, as I was never caught.



At the time I did think it was a bit unfair of my dad to give us a smack before we set off on our holidays, 'just in case' we were tempted to play up while he was driving. It worked though!

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by garinda

I was never caned, or had the slipper at school, as I was never caught.



At the time I did think it was a bit unfair of my dad to give us a smack before we set off on our holidays, 'just in case' we were tempted to play up while he was driving. It worked though!

A pre-emptive strike? That's never actually occurred to me before!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

A pre-emptive strike? That's never actually occurred to me before!

Think it originated in the States Ken

[Benipete]

I never got canned at school till the second day and it may come as a surprise but the last day as well.:
In fact pretty much every day in between.

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Benipete

I never got canned at school till the second day and it may come as a surprise but the last day as well.:
In fact pretty much every day in between.

I thought beer only came in bottles then

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I thought beer only came in bottles then

No that was under the Aqueduct bridge in Lancaster on cross-country run days

[Stumped]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Oh dear.. so now all of a sudden you join the "PC brigade" ... i'm not having a pop at you Stumped.. just pointing out that we are all right thinking people.. but some of the ones who call for "right thinking" are labled as the PC brigade.

Goodonya, Mancie. I certainly brought up my flock of four to know right from wrong, but there comes a time when you have to allow them to make and learn from their own mistakes. But I would suggest that today's average child of ten is well capable of sussing out the weaknesses, etc., of the adults within their sphere of society.

[DaveinGermany]

There is a difference between "Right thinking" & The PC Brigade (Thinking they're right).

You have a child who will not behave, you slap them this is a discipline action to make them realise what they've done is wrong & the slap was the consequence of their action. A lesson is learnt & the incident isn't repeated (this I class as right thinking).

You have a Child who will not behave, you don't slap them, no discipline action, no realisation of their wrong doing because there was no punishment, ergo no consequences to their actions. No lesson learnt & the incident is repeated or a more serious incident occurs. (this is PCB thinking)

Result ? two divergent ways, one Child may well go on to be a good upstanding citizen, the other another Venables,Thompson or one of the 2 things from Edlington.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

There is a difference between "Right thinking" & The PC Brigade (Thinking they're right).

You have a child who will not behave, you slap them this is a discipline action to make them realise what they've done is wrong & the slap was the consequence of their action. A lesson is learnt & the incident isn't repeated (this I class as right thinking).

You have a Child who will not behave, you don't slap them, no discipline action, no realisation of their wrong doing because there was no punishment, ergo no consequences to their actions. No lesson learnt & the incident is repeated or a more serious incident occurs. (this is PCB thinking)

Result ? two divergent ways, one Child may well go on to be a good upstanding citizen, the other another Venables,Thompson or one of the 2 things from Edlington.

Couldn't have put it better myself Dave

[Stumped]

My father only ever struck me once for giving him 'lip' - and on reflection I reckon that I deserved it, though I didn't think so at the time. At nearly 70, I still remember the incident as one of the sharpest lessons I ever learned in my youth, since which time I have always shown respect for my elders and betters.

Doesn't work with today's kids though, does it! The word 'respect' has been given a whole new meaning in the violent drink and drug addled society that they are practically forced to adhere to.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Stumped

My father only ever struck me once for giving him 'lip' - and on reflection I reckon that I deserved it, though I didn't think so at the time. At nearly 70, I still remember the incident as one of the sharpest lessons I ever learned in my youth, since which time I have always shown respect for my elders and betters.

Doesn't work with today's kids though, does it! The word 'respect' has been given a whole new meaning in the violent drink and drug addled society that they are practically forced to adhere to.

Oh I don't know. There is a respect out there as you so rightly put it, but it is aimed towards the wrong people. If this idolising & desire to be like, can be focused in the right way maybe the Kids can be turned around, redeemed & brought back to the fold.

Sadly a lot of these Kids look to their Peers & Celebrities for their examples, which if you pick up a paper most days you find them embroiled in some scandal or fracas or other, hardly conducive to setting an example, but this is what they see & aspire to.

If on the other hand some of these Parents were more interested in their Kids as opposed to their own interests & needs. Spending time encouraging, cajoling & taking or sharing an interest, how much better would it be ? But until more people adopt this approach, we will continue to be stuck with these depressing headlines.

[Stumped]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Oh I don't know. There is a respect out there as you so rightly put it, but it is aimed towards the wrong people. If this idolising & desire to be like, can be focused in the right way maybe the Kids can be turned around, redeemed & brought back to the fold.

Sadly a lot of these Kids look to their Peers & Celebrities for their examples, which if you pick up a paper most days you find them embroiled in some scandal or fracas or other, hardly conducive to setting an example, but this is what they see & aspire to.

If on the other hand some of these Parents were more interested in their Kids as opposed to their own interests & needs. Spending time encouraging, cajoling & taking or sharing an interest, how much better would it be ? But until more people adopt this approach, we will continue to be stuck with these depressing headlines.

Seems like we're back to the media again, not forgetting the self promoting ego's that court publicity by whatever scurrilous means that they can. Katie Price aka Jordan, Naomi Campbell, Amanda Holden, foul-mouthed comedians, and bling enhanced footballers, to name but a few. We no longer appear to be engendering standards into our youngsters by setting them examples worth following.

Call me old fashioned if you will, but these so called 'enlightened times' are little more than an excuse used by the pundits to absolve the status quo from any form of responsible approach to the ultimate wellbeing of society.

My sermon for today is now over.

[DaveinGermany]

Just read this so have brought this thread back into view.

Government has no plans to raise age of criminal responsibility - Crime, UK - The Independent