The Culture of Death marches onwards! - Page 2

garinda · 22-04-2010, 23:02

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

How about letting us know what the actual facts are?

CES - Greg Pope joins CESEW as its new Deputy Director (13 April 2010)

garinda · 22-04-2010, 23:07

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Originally Posted by accyman

unless gregg will be walking into catholic scools performing abortions for school girls raped by their priest i cant see any link either.

Luckily boys can't get pregnant.

Which takes some of the worry away from the priest, regarding their dislike of contraception.

cashman · 22-04-2010, 23:10

Don't see how its any problem, greg popes a fair minded bloke, also catholic, so whats the issue here?

garinda · 22-04-2010, 23:20

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Originally Posted by cashman

Don't see how its any problem, greg popes a fair minded bloke, also catholic, so whats the issue here?

I think because apparently he's only a catholic with a small c, and went to St. Mary's Blackburn, rather than in the Hitler Youth.

steeljack · 23-04-2010, 01:11

wonder if he will be wearing highly polished shoes

Eric · 23-04-2010, 01:24

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Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

How about letting us know what the actual facts are?

"Actual facts"? Redundancy doesn't add force to your inquiry. Here endeth the daily pedantry.

jaysay · 23-04-2010, 14:55

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Originally Posted by cashman

Don't see how its any problem, greg popes a fair minded bloke, also catholic, so whats the issue here?

Exactly my thoughts on the matter too cashy

Acrylic-bob · 23-04-2010, 15:03

Ok, Ok, since most of you don't seem able to make the connection here, let me offer a brief explanation for my posting. First off, despite his attending St Mary's, I didn't realise that Greg was catholic, however small the 'C'. But this only goes to make the situation even worse. As a catholic of more or less my generation, educated in the same diocese, I would expect him to have some familiarity with the church's position on Birth Control and Abortion. The thing about catholicism is that, unlike Anglicanism, you cannot pick and choose which elements of it you choose to believe, you have to take the whole lot or you are not a catholic. Those are the rules and they have not changed in two millenia and are unlikley to change any time soon, despite what some may claim to the contrary as a result of the second Vatican Council (Vat II).

So, for Greg to go wandering through the lobbies of Parliament voting in favour of Abortion is manifestly contrary to the teachings of the faith he claims to profess. Such a position is untenable in the deputy director of the CES, particularly given the possibility that Catholic schools will be forced to direct teenage girls to “termination” services. (He also voted against an amendment affirming a child’s need for a father.)

For me I couldn't care one hoot about Greg's religious beliefs, that is a matter for him and his conscience. What does bother me is the apparent hypocrisy of accepting a position within an organisation that requires belief on issues with which one is demonstrably at varience. A bit like claiming to be jewish to get a job in a synagogue and bringing bacon butties to work in your lunch box.

Catholic parents are justified in questioning the CES and the Bishop's Conference about Greg's appointment. There is something about this which does not 'smell' right.

NB The phrase "the culture of death" is used in catholic circles to describe any philosophy or system which does not hold all life to be sacred and which promotes abortion, artificial birth control and euthanasia.

jaysay · 23-04-2010, 15:18

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Ok, Ok, since most of you don't seem able to make the connection here, let me offer a brief explanation for my posting. First off, despite his attending St Mary's, I didn't realise that Greg was catholic, however small the 'C'. But this only goes to make the situation even worse. As a catholic of more or less my generation, educated in the same diocese, I would expect him to have some familiarity with the church's position on Birth Control and Abortion. The thing about catholicism is that, unlike Anglicanism, you cannot pick and choose which elements of it you choose to believe, you have to take the whole lot or you are not a catholic. Those are the rules and they have not changed in two millenia and are unlikley to change any time soon, despite what some may claim to the contrary as a result of the second Vatican Council (Vat II).

So, for Greg to go wandering through the lobbies of Parliament voting in favour of Abortion is manifestly contrary to the teachings of the faith he claims to profess. Such a position is untenable in the deputy director of the CES, particularly given the possibility that Catholic schools will be forced to direct teenage girls to “termination” services. (He also voted against an amendment affirming a child’s need for a father.)

For me I couldn't care one hoot about Greg's religious beliefs, that is a matter for him and his conscience. What does bother me is the apparent hypocrisy of accepting a position within an organisation that requires belief on issues with which one is demonstrably at varience. A bit like claiming to be jewish to get a job in a synagogue and bringing bacon butties to work in your lunch box.

Catholic parents are justified in questioning the CES and the Bishop's Conference about Greg's appointment. There is something about this which does not 'smell' right.

NB The phrase "the culture of death" is used in catholic circles to describe any philosophy or system which does not hold all life to be sacred and which promotes abortion, artificial birth control and euthanasia.

Well Bob I'm a catholic, but don't commit 100% to some of churches views, okay I'm against abortion, but disagree with the church stance on contraception, it isn't the church that has to cloth and feed the kids, I don't hold with their views on homosexuality either, for the simple reason that people do not chose to be gay, that is how they are born, or you could say how god intended them to be, so its a bit hypocritical isn't it, the church being anti gay

garinda · 23-04-2010, 15:49

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Well Bob I'm a catholic, but don't commit 100% to some of churches views, okay I'm against abortion, but disagree with the church stance on contraception, it isn't the church that has to cloth and feed the kids, I don't hold with their views on homosexuality either, for the simple reason that people do not chose to be gay, that is how they are born, or you could say how god intended them to be, so its a bit hypocritical isn't it, the church being anti gay

Exactly.

It's different in the third world, but I know tons of Catholics who 'pick and choose' the parts of Papal edicts they happen to agree with. Especially when it comes to birthcontrol. As most women don't want to be in a wheelchair by the time they're 40, because they've had 14 kids.

Margaret Pilkington · 23-04-2010, 15:50

God(if you believe in him) made us with flaws, He (if you believe in him) gave us the free will to make choices, He(if you believe in him) accepts us as we are, knowing that come the day of judgement(if you believe that stuff) will be the one who makes that final judgement.
We can all speak of hypocrisy, yet there must have been times when we, ourselves have exhibited that trait.
Religion is a light to guide, but we have to live in the real world.....and sometimes we do things that our religion would not approve of...knowing that we can expect our God(if we believe in him) to understand our motives.

I make no judgement of Greg Pope in taking up this job......and those who interviewed him must think that he has the skills to do it well or they would have looked elsewhere......they also must have known of his past voting habits too.

garinda · 23-04-2010, 15:50

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Ok, Ok, since most of you don't seem able to make the connection here, let me offer a brief explanation for my posting. First off, despite his attending St Mary's, I didn't realise that Greg was catholic, however small the 'C'. But this only goes to make the situation even worse. As a catholic of more or less my generation, educated in the same diocese, I would expect him to have some familiarity with the church's position on Birth Control and Abortion. The thing about catholicism is that, unlike Anglicanism, you cannot pick and choose which elements of it you choose to believe, you have to take the whole lot or you are not a catholic. Those are the rules and they have not changed in two millenia and are unlikley to change any time soon, despite what some may claim to the contrary as a result of the second Vatican Council (Vat II).

So, for Greg to go wandering through the lobbies of Parliament voting in favour of Abortion is manifestly contrary to the teachings of the faith he claims to profess. Such a position is untenable in the deputy director of the CES, particularly given the possibility that Catholic schools will be forced to direct teenage girls to “termination” services. (He also voted against an amendment affirming a child’s need for a father.)

For me I couldn't care one hoot about Greg's religious beliefs, that is a matter for him and his conscience. What does bother me is the apparent hypocrisy of accepting a position within an organisation that requires belief on issues with which one is demonstrably at varience. A bit like claiming to be jewish to get a job in a synagogue and bringing bacon butties to work in your lunch box.

Catholic parents are justified in questioning the CES and the Bishop's Conference about Greg's appointment. There is something about this which does not 'smell' right.

NB The phrase "the culture of death" is used in catholic circles to describe any philosophy or system which does not hold all life to be sacred and which promotes abortion, artificial birth control and euthanasia.

Would you count yourself as a good Catholic, and follow church rules to the letter?

garinda · 23-04-2010, 15:54

I knew Greg Pope is a Catholic, I don't think it's any big secret, because he told me, when I contacted him when he was due a free vote on stem cell research.

He listened to lots of his constituents, and voted how he thought he should vote. Which wasn't the same as I'd have voted, but I respected his decision.

BERNADETTE · 23-04-2010, 15:56

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Originally Posted by garinda

Would you count yourself as a good Catholic, and follow church rules to the letter?

I defy any Catholic good or bad to say they follow the church rules to the letter, as has been said the church does not contribute towards the expense of raising a child so how can they dictate that women keep producing them knowing that they can't afford to bring them up as they see fit?

garinda · 23-04-2010, 15:59

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

I defy any Catholic good or bad to say they follow the church rules to the letter, as has been said the church does not contribute towards the expense of raising a child so how can they dictate that women keep producing them knowing that they can't afford to bring them up as they see fit?

Totally agree.

People are educated enough to know their own mind's, and decide what part of religious edicts their faith think is the right thing for them to do.