The Demon Drink - Page 5

jaysay · 30-12-2011, 18:21

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Originally Posted by cashman

Lets be honest the Legislation is useless, a couple can go in a store n both can buy em n some will allow yeh more anyway, as we have discovered.

I wonder if anybody can remember who put forward the bill in parliament to cut the amount of paracetamol contained in a package

MargaretR · 30-12-2011, 19:14

I doubt whether it was debated or needed an Act of Parliament.

Such things are done (by statute) on the advice of the (unelected) Chief Medical Officer.

jaysay · 30-12-2011, 19:21

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Originally Posted by MargaretR

I doubt whether it was debated or needed an Act of Parliament.

Such things are done (by statute) on the advice of the (unelected) Chief Medical Officer.

There was a bill introduced in Parliament by the Hon Member for Hyndburn Mr Greg Pope, (private members bill) which eventually came to legislation and the new rules were introduced, to govern the sale of paracetamol

davebtelford · 30-12-2011, 19:56

I remember when I started drinking I used to honk up regularly after a few pints - haven't done that for a few decades!

annesingleton · 30-12-2011, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I have a cupboard full of paracetamol...well no......I have quite a few packs...maybe 20.
It gets me, that governments think we are all like five year olds...not to be trusted.
I am surprised we can buy matches and other potentially dangerous items.

If anyone really wanted to do themselves in using paracetamol........one single pack of 16 might just do the job.
In my nursing career I saw people(girls mainly = tiff with B/f = end it all) who took a relatively small amount of this drug ...one girl took only 11 and it killed her...not right away......but weeks and weeks later. She hadn't wanted to die, not really....she just wanted someone to notice she was hurting psychologically...but die she did.

Legislation is not the answer, taxation is not the answer.......education might have a role, but it is only a secondary one.
Young people think their lives are endless and they have become so hedonistic.......want it now, no boundaries...no alcohol, means to them, no fun.
They do not see the health risks.......or if they do, they do not take them seriously.
Maybe a National Service type enterprise might alter their views, because instead of putting them in the Army, they could be working on hospital wards, in A&E departments......no, not nursing patients, but doing other things that expose them to the sights that perhaps would alter their views on drugs and alcohol.

I work with young people and I think this is a very good idea (I also think the reintroduction of national service would be fantastic) from my experience putting up the price of alcohol by fifty or sixty pence will have no effect whatsoever on cutting down alcohol consumption in young people, although it will increase pub prices and will probably lead to further demises in local pubs.

Mancie · 30-12-2011, 22:33

As has been said earlier this is just another excuse to raise tax income for the Government.. alcohol consumption has been falling in the UK since 2004 to 2010....mind you more of the population may have resorted to drink since the last election

BBC News - Alcohol consumption 'continues to fall'

accyman · 31-12-2011, 05:31

alcohol consumption has been falling because pubs cant afford to run these days because of greedy governments and greedy breweries.Also thanx to stupid EU rules ie: smoking ban folk stay at home even the non smokers.

Now that peopel are staying at home and drinking cheaper supermarket beer the government isnt getting as much tax as it once did so is now targeting home drinkers with pathetic excuses and probably made up figures

its exactly teh same as what they did with diesil fuel.People got more miles from a much cheaper fuel and government lost loads of tax so they boosted up the cost of diesil to almost if not double its original price and now they get all the drivers and are laughing all the way to the bank

drink driving is a bad thing but drink and driving is the biggest money maker government has because it has pi$$ed away any other assets the country had so now the only way to make money is to tax the hell out of the public

kestrelx · 31-12-2011, 12:37

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Originally Posted by jaysay

I wonder if anybody can remember who put forward the bill in parliament to cut the amount of paracetamol contained in a package

Whenever I buy Paracetomol at my automated tills in the local Sainsbury's as when I buy alcohol it tells me I must get age approval and an assistant comes over to check if I am over 16 (or is it 18)! Suicide by Paracetomol can lead to killing the liver and not suicide - which is what often happens people end up alive with no liver!

I recall when first started drinking in teens used to knock back that really strong beer in a small bottle in order to get drunk rapidly called Barley Wine also Special Brew! Which is what kids do these days they knock back very strong alcohol quickly in order to get smashed - quickly which ends up with them rolling around in the park and then causing trouble etc.

However anyone remember your first drink of beer - it tasted like crap - same as smoking - you had to condition yourself to like it!

SamF · 31-12-2011, 12:42

Some people seem to be thinking that the proposed change is an additional 40p on every unit sold, this is not the case.

What is being proposed is a minimum price of 40p per unit.

This means the following minimum prices:

Double Whiskey/Vodka/Brandy: £0.80

Pint of Ale/Beer/Standard Lager (E.g. Carlsberg at 3.8%): £0.88

Pint of Premium Lager/Strong Ale (E.g. Carlsberg Export at 5%): £1.12

Pint of Super Strength Lager (E.g. Carlsberg Special Brew): £2.06

The bill would not effect pubs or clubs, there is nowhere that sells booze that cheap.

What it would effect is the supermarket 3 packs of beer/cider for £20 deals and sales of Special Brew and the like.

It would also put a minimum price of £11.20 on an average sized 70cl bottle of spirit but again I'd wager even the cheap end of the spirit market are around that price already.

Margaret Pilkington · 31-12-2011, 14:29

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Originally Posted by kestrelx

! Suicide by Paracetomol can lead to killing the liver and not suicide - which is what often happens people end up alive with no liver!

I am sorry to contradict you on this one, but I have to tell you that you cannot live without your liver....kidneys yes...as long as you have some sort of dialysis(peritoneal ambulatory, or renal)but if your liver fails, then unless you get a transplant pronto, it is curtains....the ones at the Crem, for you.

Now if you have read of some great breakthrough where a liver is not required, or if you know of someone who is surviving without a liver, please tell me, I would be very interested to read that information.

lettie · 31-12-2011, 14:47

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Long shifts come with the territory, as do unsocial hours......this never put women off training in the past.....but I think that many nurses train and then find that there just might not be a job at the end of it.......I know that this is the case in midwifery.....and I am sure Lettie will confirm this.

It certainly is the case in both Nursing and Midwifery. Many students are now coming out of their training with no job vacancies to apply for. All departments use the Staff Banks to cover shortages in Nursing and Midwifery Staff. Staff Bank pays the normal rate for a nurse and actually, often pays a lower grade than what the Nurses are already on. Agency is used to cover Medical Staff and it is incredibly expensive...