The DNA database...

[Rosencrantz]

Originally Posted by cashman

now yer talking crap.

In what way?

[Less]

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz

I think it's impossible to have one without the other. The police are there to stop crime, but they also keep law-abiding citizens in line.

Completly wrong and I agree with cashies comment about crap, law abiding citizens keep themselves in line, the police are there to, (supposedly), keep the miscreants that consider themselves above or beyond the law in line.

I hope our police never have to stoop so low as to keep law abiding people in line if that happens we have all lost.

[Rosencrantz]

Clearly anyone who isn't committing crimes is a law abiding citizen, but how many would be criminals if the police weren't there? Some, certainly.

Do you not think that most people don't commit crimes because they subconsciously weigh up their options and find that committing a crime is detrimental to their personal wellbeing?

For example: I could steal that apple, but if I was caught I'd get a social stigma as a criminal, I'd get fined, maybe a criminal record - so what's the point in stealing it?

[Less]

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz

Clearly anyone who isn't committing crimes is a law abiding citizen, but how many would be criminals if the police weren't there? Some, certainly.

Do you not think that most people don't commit crimes because they subconsciously weigh up their options and find that committing a crime is detrimental to their personal wellbeing?

For example: I could steal that apple, but if I was caught I'd get a social stigma as a criminal, I'd get fined, maybe a criminal record - so what's the point in stealing it?

Do me a favour tell you mate Cyfr not to bandy accywebs name around his college, we have enough home grown students of our own!

Seriously though,
People that commit crimes are criminals, the police look out for the people that have commited crimes, until a crime has been commited it is none of their business, society as a whole keeps the majority of people in check, I haven't seen a Policeman for several weeks but I haven't used that as an excuse to commit a crime because like the majority I feel I can be classed as honest.

[Rosencrantz]

Originally Posted by Less

Seriously though,
People that commit crimes are criminals, the police look out for the people that have commited crimes, until a crime has been commited it is none of their business

Exactly, a DNA database or identity cards are needless intrusions into the lives of the innocent.

And I actually came here because Cyfr always goes on about various threads here and it sounded interesting! Debate and discussion is great fun.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Less

Do me a favour tell you mate Cyfr not to bandy accywebs name around his college, we have enough home grown students of our own!

I'll happily promote Accrington Web to students or non-students alike, thank-you very much!

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz

Exactly, a DNA database or identity cards are needless intrusions into the lives of the innocent.

And I actually came here because Cyfr always goes on about various threads here and it sounded interesting! Debate and discussion is great fun.

I thought you may well be friends

[cashman]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

I thought you may well be friends

well ya didn't need to be sherlock,to work that un out.in fact i think there in love.pmsl

[Less]

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz

Exactly, a DNA database or identity cards are needless intrusions into the lives of the innocent.

And I actually came here because Cyfr always goes on about various threads here and it sounded interesting! Debate and discussion is great fun.

I'll happily promote Accrington Web to students or non-students alike, thank-you very much!

It was just a shot in the dark! A bit of the way my mind works, Cyfr I'm glad you promote accyweb, Rosencrantz, along with Cashie I still think most of what you said is carp, but at least it's spelt without TXT speak.

[Rosencrantz]

Originally Posted by Less

It was just a shot in the dark! A bit of the way my mind works, Cyfr I'm glad you promote accyweb, Rosencrantz, along with Cashie I still think most of what you said is carp, but at least it's spelt without TXT speak.

What can I say, I'm an English student!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz

In what way?

impossible to enlighten one with your experiance.

[Rosencrantz]

Originally Posted by cashman

impossible to enlighten one with your experiance.

Try me, I'm definitely open to new ideas.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz

What can I say, I'm an English student!

Ah, but we've had people claiming to be 'English Teachers' on here that wouldn't have passed a Primary school exam so you are quite unique in that respect.

[Boeing Guy]

To bring this thread back to where it started. Loz talked about extreme cases.

Well just over 60 years ago if you were Jewish in a european country you were forced to wear a Star of David on your outer garments, these poor people were treated to horrific crimes against humanity, all because of religion.

Now let us say we have a rather strong Right Wing government in power, say the one Nick Griffin is the leader of. You now know the ethnic origin of every single one of us, so you now have the power to round up people who don't conform to your ideals.
It has happend before and over 6,000,000 people were murdered, we start down this slippery slope it will happen again.
This argument about crime, is utter rubbish, DNA alone cannot be used to convict, all it shows is that you were in the area, or you touched someone at the time. And finally do you REALLY, REALLY trust this or any future government with your most personal details, your biological database, the blueprint to your being. I don't

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jambutty

The Identity Cards were issued because we were at war and were, quite rightly, discontinued after the war had ended.

Aren't we at war now?