The Escaping of Yet More Worms From Cans

[chav1]

if someone cant see the value in having an education that makes them thick in my book but of course thats only my book lol

[garinda]

Still disagree. No one is born 'thick'. Everyone has different natural abilities. Perhaps they are 'thick', because it's the education system that has let them down, and their expectations are so low there is a certain kudos in being thought of as 'thick'.

[chav1]

I dont see why extra money and teachers resources should be wasted on people who think its un cool to learn

you cant force people to learn the same way you cant force people to work

a few teachers at moorhead when i was there quite openly said that if you were preppared to learn they would spend extra time with you and help you but if you had no interest they didnt see why they should take time away from people who wanted to learn and i think that is right

why should our childrens education suffer just because other people have to be forced to learn

black or white if you are not willing to help your self why should anyone help you

if soemone seeks help then help them but dont try forcing help on those who dont want it

[garinda]

Good teachers wouldn't have the above attitudes, and therefore show children the best, most rewarding path they can travel down to achieve the very best they can.

Who would like their own children written off as 'thick'? To go through life with no expectations seems very sad. This does happen regardlass of colour, but it's the system that lets them down, not being 'thick'.

[chav1]

if a teacher told me my child was un teachable you can beleive there would be swift action in my house to ensure they sat and learned at school

most kids are short of disaplin at home and it shows in the class room so the teachers get the blame

teachers are under supported as it is so why shoud they take time away from those WILLING to learn and make their eductation suffer for the sake of ingnorant yobs who see education as a joke

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for once why dosnt the blame get put where it belongs instead of blaming teachers , its about time people were held accountable for their own actions and choices they make

if they want an eductation all they have to do is sit and learn and if they cant manage that simple task then they dont desrve a thing

[garinda]

They wouldn't see education as a joke if the teachers were any good.

Support at home is a factor, but should be secondary to a school system that brings out the best in everyone, despite their personal backgrounds.

[pendy]

Love you lots, Garinda, but can't agree. 20 years experience as a school governor at both primary and secondary level teaches you a lot. I once had to exclude a 5 year old because he was so disruptive - attacking other children and teachers, breaking windows .... can't be the fault of the school at 5 - he'd only just got there. Discipline begins in the home, and I don't mean beating the **** out of them. When children start school they should have been socialised. If they are still wild animals, there is a strict limit on what even the best teacher can do with them.

I could go on for hours, but I want to go home. Will try to carry on after I have cooked my lord and master his dinner and done all the necessary around the house ....... another thread creeping in here????

[garinda]

Good to disagree, lol!
Children should be socilised by the age of four. Would the same children have been excluded if they had been raised better- no .But the same child, given a different start would have a chance not to have been labelled 'thick'. Thats what l objected to.
Look at Prince Harry, best education etc.- and a more well rounded individual making the most of very little natural abilities, you'd be pushed to meet! Lol.

[-pixie]

Whilst I agree that nobody is "born thick", I don't think you can blame the teachers for certain pupils not learning to standard. If certain groups don't see education as having street cred, then to me that indicates a problem in the home. The parents should be taking a more active role in their childs education, instead of blaming the school.
Teachers and their power in the classroom are that limited now that there isn't a great deal they can do to rectify the situation. School should not be expected to compensate for anybodys situation at home.

[garinda]

School should be the constant in a child's life, and it should be of a high a standard as possible. A child may be in care, or have a parent[s] who don't give a damn what becomes of their offspring, and not get the support thats been sugested they need. Schools and teachers that allow children in a way to opt out, are a disgrace. How many engineers, scientists, nurses and musicans etc, are not going to fulfil their potential, because they were labelled 'thick' and written off?

[chav1]

there are few children that see school as been cool i know for sure when i was at school i didnt go by choice and definatley didnt go because i thought it was cool , i went because i was told to and learned becasue if i went home with bad reports i got my ass kicked

i can safely say that most people old and young dont see and never have thought of school been cool when they were children but regardless we all went , sat down and learned

what makes todays youngsters so different in thinking school isnt cool , absolutely nothing

all i see is surveys and polls making excuses for children under qualifying ,the whole thing is a scam to divert the blame away from the govenment underfunding schools and not supporting teachers in disciplin in the classroom

the only time i actualy appreciated school and saw it as cool was when i left and had to work for a living i would gladly be sat in a class room rather than working shifts

kids today have too many rights and too many excuses for been bone idle and this poll has given them yet another excuse to do nothing in school

its not my fault its the system , boo hoo

[garinda]

You argue that you only appreciated school when you started to work. l find that sad, as you are obviously an intellegent person, therefore you're admitting 'the system' let you down.
Outside of your own experience, there are lots of young people who do think education is 'cool', because further education numbers have never been higher.

[-pixie]

If someone has true potential it tends to come out either way. It doesn't need to be dragged out of them.
If a child has parents who don't give a damn what becomes of them, they are more than likely not going to try their best in school as they have seen that there is no reward for doing so. I don't think it is entirely the schools fault - they are there to teach, not to bring children up. I mean there are primary schools who IMO are wasting valuable time teaching kids table manners, because their parents never taught them how to use a knife and fork. How sad is that?

[Margaret Pilkington]

I was educated in the 50's and 60s and at the time the discipline in the schools was palpable......discipline in the home was also practised. If I went home and told my parents that I had been given the cane or reprimanded in any way I would have got another hiding for needing discipline at school. If you were ever sent to the head teacher, you trembled in your shoes......and whatever the teacher said, you did.
I am sure this influenced the learning that went on.......we respected the teachers,
who in turn taught us to respect ourselves. Discipline, self worth and respect are lacking for many children.

[garinda]

School education isn't just about passing exams. lf parents aren't doing it, sadly how to use cutelry is a vital thing to learn.
That children still leave school still unable to read is a tradgedy. Not all 'potential' will come out regardless of where and how you were educated.