THE GAY COMMUNITY YOUR VIEWS

[fireman]

That will always happen but on the whole i enjoy th e company of gay people but I definately am straight

[Busman747]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

On the other hand I know another gay man who is a bit of a pain in the neck simply because he goes on and on about being gay and begins to get on your nerves with it. (A bit like "I'm the only gay in the village")

Firstly, can I point out that Willow is talking about a song by Weird Al when she quotes "the only gay in the village!" (I will send by e-mail if you request,)

Can I ask you a question Mick please? (putting him on the spot) Why did you start this thread? There has been no (or very little) talk of gays and homosexuallity on this site but most members are aware that a relatively new member Garinda (who has yet to comment here) openly admits to being gay!

I am sure that Garinda is keeping a close watch on what is being said here and is ready to jump in with a comment or two at the right moment..........

Sorry Garinda, you are a very likeable person, but (and I am sure Willow did not mean you particularly) after announcing your preferences, you have been going a little over the top in as much that we like your views, appreciate your accy web input.........BUT DON'T GIVE A SH** about your sexuality! ......

Which brings me back to the original thread about Gays! Whatever happens inside the bedroom should be private! If Garinda..or anyone else mentions through normal chat that they met/held hands/kissed another that happened to be of the same sex, thats fine.....but I feel that it is not something that should be discussed in open forum.

I am not interested in your sex life Mick nor would I give details of my sex life! It is perhaps strange that if you are Gay, then people seem often to want to know the nitty gritty of what happens between the sheets but if you are straight, any comments (quite rightly) would be deleted as they are deemed as improper on a family site!

As you are all probably aware, I HATE the P.C. Brigade, I TOTALLY object to "Gays" having special "events" mostly because they are financed by us the tax payers, Despite the hundreds of Quango's pushing umpteen thousands of £££££'s of our money into their schemes..............

What I am saying basically, is let each of us live the way we want.

It should NOT be an issue, Garinda knows what he wants, so do I! and also the rest of you! May you all find the happiness that I have found......

[slinky]

Well I think all that was a little unfair busman. I could understand you having a go at garinda if he had threaded in this post..........but can you explain where all that came from???..................that is not nice to name people when they haven't even said anything relating to this thread. Yes he may have made everyone aware that he is gay, just like others have made people aware that they are not gay, is making people aware that you are not gay an offence aswell?. Well just wondering very confused by all that.
And the thing willow said about '' the only gay in the village i remember of LITTLE BRITAIN''

[Busman747]

Sorry if I confused you slinky, I certainly wasn't having a go about Garinda, he has done nothing wrong except perhaps to go overboard about his sexuality. I questioned Micks reasoning behind the thread that he started taking into account Garindas openness regarding his sexuality.


As an afterthought, I added my opinion that OUR finance should not be spent telling the world what we all do between the sheets and with whom!

I have no interest in what Garinda does, or who he meets, I have tried to say (obviously badly) that sexual interests should NOT be financed or promoted with OUR money!

[garinda]

Lol, well where to start?........
This thread was started in fact by Mick over 6 months before l joined this happy band.
l had read it, and like Slinky was quite pleased with the overall feeling that it matters not a damn what is done behind closed doors.

The only place l have discussed my personal life is in my journal. The most explicit bit being that we lay on a bed or held hands. Fairly normal stuff and certainly not explicit.

The only other times l have posted about my sexuality in general threads, is when l've disagreed with something. Homosexuality has been linked with child abuse, were l pointed out some basic facts. [Don't forget most child abuse takes place in so called 'normal' families by heterosexuals.] l also posted about Tealeaf's comments regarding 'lezzy' theatre and London's tax payers funding gay celebrations, just as Busman has as well now.

'Normal' people seem to be able to talk about their lives, marriage, courting, flirting etc. without comment. lf l post about similar things l seemed to be accused of banging on about it, pushing down your throats so to speak. l will not limit my postings because of predjudice, if anything l say is unsuitable l expect to be taken to task by the moderators.


In reply to what l find quiet arrogant use of underlining of 'our' money [in Busmans posting,]being spent on telling people what and with whom to do it with between the sheets, l despair. Do you think homosexuals don't pay taxes, and if you've been sucked into beleving the right-wing tabloid press view that all children are now been taught how to be queer, more fool you. There's lots of things my taxes are spent on that l don't agree with, in a democracy though l'm afraid l've just got to lump it. The figures are miniscule by the way.

Busman once said he'd read my journal, in which l wrote about how isolating it was growing up here, as a gay kid in the 70's, and my need to move away. Some of these comments have made me realise that perhaps not a great deal has changed. l pity any young people growing up gay or lesbian in Accrington today.


P.S. Don't forget we are not monsters. You 'normal' people created us from the fruits of your loins [yuk, is that too explicit?]
. Your sons/daughters/grandchildren etc.

Gary.

[garinda]

P.S. Rather than re-edit a quick post script.

There's so much more to me that the gender of the people l am attracted to, some good some bad, which if you took the time to get to know me you would realise. If my honesty about my life offends you l'm sorry, but l will not be silenced on this or other things l feel are relevant to what l post.

I don't mind at all about being singled out for discussion here, l'm fair game. However my views do in no way represent any of the other gay/lesbian members here, [yes theres at least 6 to my knowledge!]

[Gobsmacked]

Originally Posted by garinda

The only place l have discussed my personal life is in my journal.

I haven't actually read your journal but I have been in no doubt about your sexual preferences as you have made it very clear in your general posts

Originally Posted by garinda

However my views do in no way represent any of the other gay/lesbian members here, [yes theres at least 6 to my knowledge!]

The fact that I'm only aware of one and that one being you would seem to indicate that you have brought the fact to our attention whereas the others have not. To them it presumably hasn't been important enough to comment on.

As regards what is and isn't funded by our taxes (that's yours and mine garinda, "our" by it's very nature doesn't exclude you) I don't see why any gay or lesbian special events should be funded when similar specifically heterosexual events (if there were any) would not receive equal funding. That doesn't make me homophobic. It's simply a case of a desire for fairness and equality.

If there is anything I do object to it's stunts like someone ripping pages out of the Bible because they object to the references therein to "unnatural practices". If they disagree with the content fair enough say so, but tearing out the pages doesn't change the fact that it was written it merely serves to antagonise people and stir up anti-gay feelings.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Busman747

Can I ask you a question Mick please? (putting him on the spot) Why did you start this thread?

If you look at the date that this thread was started it was nearly two years ago so Mick could hardly have started it for Garinda's benefit.

perhaps there was something in the news at that time that made the post seem relevant?

[garinda]

[QUOTE=Gobsmacked]

I don't see why any gay or lesbian special events should be funded when similar specifically heterosexual events (if there were any) would not receive equal funding.

Off the top of my head l can't think of any 'special events' that have been funded by the tax payer. Like l said l'm no expert, and refuse to act as a mouth piece for anybody other than myself. Major events like Gay Pride are self funded, and the profits go to charity [such as the Terence Higgins Trust, an AIDS charity that helps people regardless of their sexual orientation.]. Carnivals around the country with childrens events, l presume fund themselves the same way, if they don't and some of my taxes go towards face painting or creches l'm quite happy that they do so.


In reply to Busmans interest in this subject, l was invited to his wedding at The Church of the Latter Day Saint in Blackburn. l don't know if Busman is a Mormon but l've discovered some interesting facts regarding the Churches views on homosexuality.
-Homosexuality is a sin, second only to murder.
-Homosexuality is a disease.
-Homosexuality is currable.

I'm not going to answer each point other than to say who on earth would choose to be gay in face of such predjudice? l am not a masochist.

Like l said, l just hope that if any other your children turn out to be homosexual you show a little more understanding. My parents didn't ask for a gay child, l came ready made, the result of an hetrosexual union.

[Busman747]

Originally Posted by Less

If you look at the date that this thread was started it was nearly two years ago so Mick could hardly have started it for Garinda's benefit.

perhaps there was something in the news at that time that made the post seem relevant?

You are quite right Less, my apologies....I didn't realise that Fireman had dug this one up out of the vaults, I should have checked...........

Quote from Garinda:
"This thread was started in fact by Mick over 6 months before l joined this happy band"

Even the best of us get it wrong at times, the thread was started on 08/09/03 and Garinda joined us in '05

[cashman]

people should only be attacked if they do owt wrong,wether gay,straight, black,white,it does'nt matter a jot to me,an if they want to say what they are it doen't bother me in the slightest,why it bothers anybody bothers me though.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Busman747

You are quite right Less, my apologies....I didn't realise that Fireman had dug this one up out of the vaults, I should have checked...........

Quote from Garinda:
"This thread was started in fact by Mick over 6 months before l joined this happy band"

Even the best of us get it wrong at times, the thread was started on 08/09/03 and Garinda joined us in '05

Lol, l may have in fact been a member six months after the thread was started by Mick under an alias!

[Busman747]

[QUOTE=garinda]

Originally Posted by Gobsmacked

In reply to Busmans interest in this subject, l was invited to his wedding at The Church of the Latter Day Saint in Blackburn. l don't know if Busman is a Mormon but l've discovered some interesting facts regarding the Churches views on homosexuality.
-Homosexuality is a sin, second only to murder.
-Homosexuality is a disease.
-Homosexuality is currable.

I'm not going to answer each point other than to say who on earth would choose to be gay in face of such predjudice? l am not a masochist.

Like l said, l just hope that if any other your children turn out to be homosexual you show a little more understanding. My parents didn't ask for a gay child, l came ready made, the result of an hetrosexual union.

My religious beliefs are a personal thing, I have NEVER stated that I am a member of any church organisation on any web site for that reason. You have made assumptions about me that are incorrect, I am NOT a member of the afore-mentioned church....and the information you have gleaned from the net or perhaps gossip is slightly out-dated to say the least.

I expect you to reply that being a homosexual is YOUR personal thing but the difference is that you choose to air your so-called differences at every opportunity which is precisely the reason I made mention of your name in my original posting.

This post was never meant to be anti - gay but it seems by your accusations that you want it to go that way.

[garinda]

l have only made reference to my sexuality in threads were l thought it applicable, ie: child sex crimes etc.

l respect your views, just as l know you hopefully respect mine.

The comments on homosexuality were all on offical web sites of the Church were you have chosen to marry in.

In no way have l taken this personally, even though you brought my name into the thread, or as a sign of your homophobia, and l mean that truthfully.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Garinda could you give me links to the sites where you obtained your information please? I'd like to go and have a read of it.

I don't think anyone has said anything here which is homophobic and I personally get a bit miffed when anyone uses that word because it tends to be bandied about to make people feel guilty of something when all they have done is give an honest opinion. It's a bit like those political posters which were criticised for being anti-semitic when they showed Michael Howard and somebody else as flying pigs and the one which was interpreted as Michael Howard in the role of Shylock when in actual fact it was meant to be a hypnotist. Until all the hoohah about the posters I didn't even know Michael Howard was Jewish but now that I do know it doesn't change my opinion of him as a politician one way or the other. It's totally irrelevant. I wonder if the poster designer had any idea that the two people involved are Jewish? Anyway I'm wandering.

Although Busman isn't, I am a member of the LDS church, the correct title is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" and the reason why I want to clarify the name is that it isn't a church dedicated to some obscure and unknown saint. It is a church named after Jesus Christ and the "Latter-day Saints" in the title refers to the members of the church. This is often misinterpreted and we get accused of thinking of ourselves as being "superior", "saintly" or "holier than thou" by people who don't actually know us. When people do know us they find out that we're very far removed from that image. You want to meet a crowd of us women at a party and you'll soon realise what a mottley crew were are. The reason the term "saint" is used is because the members of the early church (ie what was on earth when Paul and what have you were around) didn't so much call themselves Christians as "saints" and because we are the same sort of rabble but in these later times we're just known as "Latter-day Saints". It could just as easily be "modern time Christians"

Anyhow where was I? Oh yes. I need to swat up a bit on sins. We're all probably guilty of more than one. I do like reading information about the church on the net. Some of it is accurate and some of it isn't. Some people set up their own websites and tend to rabbit on a bit, which isn't really approved of because they can get a bit personal and drift from the point. There is one officially approved website but I'm not sure how much doctrine there is in there.

As I've said previously I know more than one gay person and I don't immediately think of them as a sexual classification but as an individual. If it comes up in conversation then maybe we'll discuss it, if it doesn't then we don't. I had a very good friend (sadly now deceased) who was an actor and because he never married people (especially female fans) used to ask me if he was gay. As it was something he never spoke about I would only tell them that he considered himself married to his career and leave it at that.

I know of more than one church member who is gay and one who has had some quite responsible positions within the church. Maybe the fact that he is celibate made a difference. I don't know. The reason I don't know is because it really has never been all that important to me personally. I just take people as they come. if I like em I like em. if I don't I don't.