The Greed of the Breweries

[MargaretR]

Originally Posted by Tickler

i eould totally aggree zero tolerance on drink driving zero tolerance on drugs and driving and zero tolerance on smoking and driving

Many over the counter cough medicines contain traces of alcohol.
Some prescription medicines contain opiates.
Zero tolerance may well ban many sick people from driving.

[Tealeaf]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

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Zero tolerance may well ban many sick people from driving.

Good. If someone is sick they should not be behind the wheel. They're a danger to other road users and to pedestrians.

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Good. If someone is sick they should not be behind the wheel. They're a danger to other road users and to pedestrians.

That's sounds good in theory but one Strepsil throat lozenge would put you over the limit.
Plus it is also said that the body produces alcohol in small amounts naturally.Of course I may be wrong.

[Barrie Yates]

Plus it is also said that the body produces alcohol in small amounts naturally.Of course I may be wrong.

i heard this in Saudi when a Saudi pilot of a Tornado was judged to have suffered target fixation on a ground attack mission and ploughed in. They attempted to blame the WSO (Back seat BAe man) who showed a very small alcohol % - he didn't drink at all, but the pilot was a semi royal prince - the BAe chap was cleared - dead but innocent.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

Would appear that you hold a minority view Ken.
There are many factors why a pub closes down, a lot of them are interactive, location, facilities, staff attitude, quality of beer and service, availability of food, entertainment, local transport, cleanliness - I am sure that there are many other factors.

Of course one must also consider that being friendly with any particular landlord may well colour one's judgement.

You're quite right on all points, I'm simply looking at what people consider to be the primary reason for the lamentable state our pubs are in. My personal feeling is that the aftermath of the smoking ban has not been handled at all well by the breweries/leisure companies who are now screwing every last penny they can out of the good pubs and damaging them as a result.

Bear in mind that I have worked with many landlords over the years and pretty much all of them have ended up in the same boat and just given up. One or two were simply bad landlords, of course.

To take the Hob Inn in Bamber Bridge as an example, I worked with the landlord there for six years and he built it up from a good pub into a fantastic pub but the brewery put the rent up as a result to the point where it was nearly £1,500 per week. With the best will in the world, you've got to earn that before you start covering your overheads, buying stock and paying wages so what is the point?

Something similar has just happened at the Mill Tavern, where I host one of my games nights. It has changed the entire dynamic of pubs because inexperienced landlords are flown in to take control of something which needs a steady hand, it never ever works.

If something is turning a profit in times like these then leave it alone. They have to buy their stock from the breweries anyway so the more they sell the better it is!

Benipete and Barrie Yates seem not to agree but just ask your local landlord how the land lies with their particular management.

[Mancie]

Aye.. I were in t'pub trade and I know what's up... how come most of the people on this thread "know t'pub trade" but can't work out why pubs are closing?.. I'll say it again.. I've never heard of a Wetherspoons pub closing down.. so what do they do right that some do wrong?

[cashman]

the greed of breweries has been going on fer many years,i worked a night a week in 2 pubs in the 90s, both landlords/landladies were friends of mine, did 6 years in 1, 3 years in the other, both had built the pubs up, after they were well quiet, the sole reason both parties left was the increase the breweries levied on em, but bad though things had got, fer my money, the smoking ban was the final nail in the coffin.

[Benipete]

Is this the one?

Pub Fact Sheet - Mill Tavern

Sounds reasonable to me.But I agree there are many hidden costs that you don't get told about until you have been hooked.

Not least crippling business rates and council tax but then all retail outlets suffer from greedy councils.

[Tickler]

this link shows a one year contract for a pub in thwiates portfolio
http://www.danielthwaites.com/NR/rdo...COTPrecise.pdf

if you can get it if not visit their website and go to run your own pub and look at their aggreements on their web site all one sided you have a full tie you have yto use their stock taker your have to repair thier building up to a level inside and out and they charge you rent they are to blame for 70% of pubs shutting down the breweries

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Aye.. I were in t'pub trade and I know what's up... how come most of the people on this thread "know t'pub trade" but can't work out why pubs are closing?.. I'll say it again.. I've never heard of a Wetherspoons pub closing down.. so what do they do right that some do wrong?

The Weatherspoon's pubs that I know - Bristol, Putney, Soho, and a few other places around UK do not brew. They grew very quickly and are now so big they dictate to the brewers or change brewers - they also tend to cater for the alkies in the area - captive market.
They only instituted a total smoking ban when it became law - prior to that the bar area was "No Smoking" - certainly the Bristol one outside of the "Corn Market" was.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Benipete

Is this the one?

Pub Fact Sheet - Mill Tavern

Sounds reasonable to me.But I agree there are many hidden costs that you don't get told about until you have been hooked.

Not least crippling business rates and council tax but then all retail outlets suffer from greedy councils.

Yes, that's the one although the costs on display don't tally exactly with what was offered in the renewal agreement. I'm not sure what terms the new tenants have but the offer made to the previous incumbents was not one that I would have happily signed up to.

As for tax rates, you'll have to take that up with South Ribble BC but, succeed or fail, there's only really one winner in this situation and it isn't the tenants or the council.

[Taggy]

Even the clubs that put acts on are having a damned hard time of it. I've heard that The Brooks Club is up for sale, dont know if they are just rumours or not, but its been mentioned to me now by a couple of different sources!


Best Regards - Taggy

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Yes, that's the one although the costs on display don't tally exactly with what was offered in the renewal agreement. I'm not sure what terms the new tenants have but the offer made to the previous incumbents was not one that I would have happily signed up to.

As for tax rates, you'll have to take that up with South Ribble BC but, succeed or fail, there's only really one winner in this situation and it isn't the tenants or the council.

I agree with you but the original thread blamed all brewery's for your own personal downfall.

What goes on between your "friend" and the brewery is nothing to do with me or indeed anyone else It is a contractual agreement.If he cannot reach an agreement then he must move on.

There are a lot of reasons for giving a good licensee the elbow but I'm not in the guessing game.

Sorry If I offended you I'm just a bit septic

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Benipete

I agree with you but the original thread blamed all brewery's for your own personal downfall.

What goes on between your "friend" and the brewery is nothing to do with me or indeed anyone else It is a contractual agreement.If he cannot reach an agreement then he must move on.

There are a lot of reasons for giving a good licensee the elbow but I'm not in the guessing game.

Sorry If I offended you I'm just a bit septic

You, septic are you having keyboard problems or was it an intended gaffe Beni

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by jaysay

You, septic are you having keyboard problems or was it an intended gaffe Beni

Not at all I've got a boil on my bum.

It's taken 3 years to get that one in.Thanks Jay.