The Home Office has settled out of court

[Ianto.W.]

Evryone has a right to state their opinions Jambutty it will be interesting to read the replies to yours, tin hats all round.

[Wynonie Harris]

Well, Jambutty, as Ianto says you have a right to your opinions, but mine couldn't be more different.

As far as I'm concerned, criminals arrive in prison, in most cases, as a result of their own actions. They should, therefore, be prepared to accept the consequences of what follows. OK, provide them with food and basic (very basic) creature comforts, but to expect us to carry on funding their self-inflicted drug habit is a step too far for me. The hardship they will suffer when they go cold turkey is simply part of their punishment and one that they have brought on themselves.

And, yes, I admit to feeling a little bit of vengeance in my heart towards those who have murdered, crippled, assaulted, robbed, raped, terrified and generally harrassed my fellow citizens, In my opinion, the reintroduction of an element of vengeance in the form of longer prison sentences in harsher conditions into the UK justice system would be more than welcome in these "non-judgemental" PC-obsessed times.

[Tealeaf]

I would suppose that following Jambuttie's usual crackpot logic, most prisoners would now be entitled to a couple of gallons of strong lager as part of their daily medical requirement.

[garinda]

Ironically prisons are already awash with drugs.

These scum bags should be made to actually pay the prison service if going cold turkey got them clean. There are loads of addicts who haven't broken the law (or been caught) on waiting lists for rehab to go cold turkey.

Perhaps Jambutty thinks that as well as receiving the expensive heroin substitute Methadone, prisoners should be allowed visits from state funded prostitutes, after all their treatment has to be 'humane'?

[Tealeaf]

It gets even dafter. Next year, as most of you are aware, ciggy smoking in public places will become illegal; no snouts in pubs, restaurants, public buildings, factory floors - in fact, any place with a roof which members of the public might use.
There will, however, be one exception, and that is in Her Majesty's Prisons. An exemption has been made because to deny the prisoners right to smoke is in contravention of what is now UK human right's laws.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Tealeaf

It gets even dafter. Next year, as most of you are aware, ciggy smoking in public places will become illegal; no snouts in pubs, restaurants, public buildings, factory floors - in fact, any place with a roof which members of the public might use.
There will, however, be one exception, than that is in Her Majestie's Prisons. An exemption has been made because to deny the prisoners right to smoke is in contravention of what is now UK human right's laws.

Another exempted place where smoking is allowed are the bars in the Houses of Parliament.

Then all the criminals will be able to smoke together.

[WillowTheWhisp]

Originally Posted by garinda

There are loads of addicts who haven't broken the law (or been caught) on waiting lists for rehab to go cold turkey.

Indeed some people pay large sums of money for the privilege of being shut away and forced to go cold turkey so these cured drug addicts should be thanking HM Prison Services for the free treatment.

[jackyalex]

Originally Posted by garinda

Another exempted place where smoking is allowed are the bars in the Houses of Parliament.

Then all the criminals will be able to smoke together.

now thats funny,made me laugh

[jambutty]

Is my logic any less crackpot than yours Tealeaf, in suggesting booze for alcoholics?

You, like garinda, can’t put a proper response together without trying to put words in my mouth.

If both of you actually read and understood what I had written you might have been able to come back with a constructive response and not your usual inane claptrap.

But then I forgot if you two don’t like someone’s opinion that happens to be different to yours, your only response is utter rubbish.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jambutty

Is my logic any less crackpot than yours Tealeaf, in suggesting booze for alcoholics?

You, like garinda, can’t put a proper response together without trying to put words in my mouth.

If both of you actually read and understood what I had written you might have been able to come back with a constructive response and not your usual inane claptrap.

But then I forgot if you two don’t like someone’s opinion that happens to be different to yours, your only response is utter rubbish.

Kettle.

Pot.

Black.

[garinda]

I didn't put any words in your mouth. Quote them if I did.

I read your post.

You believe prisoners who are drug addicted should recieve treatment (which in this case is Methadone.)

You think they should recieve compensation for not bering treated.

I don't. I think that if they come out clean they should be effin' well grateful.

[katex]

Originally Posted by jackyalex

does that mean that people who are going 'cold turkey' in the workplace through this non-smoking policy can now sue their employers?oooh whats it all coming too

Was thinking a little on these lines too jackyalex ... dread the thought of ever having to go in hospital, where you can't even smoke in the car park .. that would ensure I would be checking out real quick, and adding to the stress of a quick recovery. Suppose all the non-smokers would have no sympathy though, would they ? .. think my own fault for indulging in such a habit.

As for the prisoners, not sure, does appear to be a little 'torcherous' if they were already trying to seek help .. will read your comments with interest.