The Last Straw - Page 10

Tealeaf · 18-10-2006, 13:36

The funny thing is that the argument that "it does no harm" is the same one that is used by paedophiles. Both lack logic and both result in tragic social and physical consequences.

WillowTheWhisp · 18-10-2006, 13:36

Why on earth object to being served by a shopkeeper wearing the niqab? If it's their shop they can wear what they like. If they sell what I want to buy it doesn't matter to me what they are wearing.

I do find that I don't start up spontaneous discussions with a veiled woman but that's because I feel like I'm intruding into some sort of privacy they wish to maintain. That's probably wrong but it's just the way it seems.

Normally I chat to anyone anywhere (as you'll probably have gathered by the way I waffle on here.) but you don't have the same sort of nod and smile start in RL with someone in full head covering with veil.

jambutty · 18-10-2006, 13:43

Who has argued that it does no harm Tealeaf?

Tealeaf · 18-10-2006, 13:43

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Why on earth object to being served by a shopkeeper wearing the niqab? If it's their shop they can wear what they like. If they sell what I want to buy it doesn't matter to me what they are wearing.

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Cheers Willow.

I wonder if you could give us a list of shops in Accy where we are likely to be served by someone wearing a Niqab, in particular those selling fresh foodstuffs.

WillowTheWhisp · 18-10-2006, 13:45

If I come across one I'll let you know.

Tealeaf · 18-10-2006, 13:45

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Originally Posted by jambutty

Who has argued that it does no harm Tealeaf?

So you agree it does do harm, yet you do not wish it banned?

Most peculiar!

jambutty · 18-10-2006, 13:57

You have a most peculiar understanding of the English language Tealeaf if you can work out that I agree that it does no harm from my question of “Who has argued that it does no harm Tealeaf?”

I don’t care how a person dresses providing that it is with the bounds of public decency. What I do care about is seeing the face of the person that I am talking to or doing business with. I also care about a small sector of the citizens being given preferential treatment in that they can hide their face just because they follow the Islamic faith whilst other sectors have to remove any face covering.

Tealeaf · 18-10-2006, 14:10

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Originally Posted by jambutty

This veil issue has got out of hand. Jeremy Vine is now asking listeners to vote on whether, the full Muslim dress the nikab (that leaves just the eyes visible), should be banned or not. I assume that this would also include the dress that hides the eyes behind a veil.

My answer is NO it should not be banned. .

I give up..................

chav1 · 18-10-2006, 14:11

if our creator wanted faces covered people would be born with veils or better still no face at all

simple as that realy aint it

WillowTheWhisp · 19-10-2006, 21:21

Here's an interesting little point.

He got arrested. What's the difference?

jambutty · 19-10-2006, 21:33

That says it all!

Bagpuss · 19-10-2006, 22:13

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Here's an interesting little point.

He got arrested. What's the difference?

Makes you want to become a racist if I wasn't already one, it's a joke this country, I think I will try this on Saturday and see how far I can go.

Unemployment figures are up, of course they are with all the Europeans that have come here taking jobs that should be filled by English workers.

Tinkerbelle · 19-10-2006, 22:45

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

I think I will try this on Saturday and see how far I can go.

Whilst I was reading Willows link I was actually thinking

" Bagpuss! No you didn't! I didn't think you were serious!"

SPUGGIE J · 19-10-2006, 23:20

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

Unemployment figures are up, of course they are with all the Europeans that have come here taking jobs that should be filled by English workers.

Well if they dont fill the jobs available then employers are going to find someone that will. Not ideal, but a business still needs to run and if the only workers they can get are european then thats what they will take.

jambutty · 20-10-2006, 07:58

I don’t know if anyone else watched Question Time coming from Preston last night but if you did you may have noticed that if the audience was to be representative of the country as a whole, we are losing the ‘veil’ debate.

Not only did the ‘veil’ topic take up more than half of the allotted programme time, which is unusual in itself, but the discussion wasn’t about the original ‘veil’ issue but had been dragged off on a tangent to encompass Islam and the right to wear what they like. Can I remind people that the only issue is whether a veil should be removed when attending an MP’s constituency surgery? And from that it follows any official one to one meeting.

Not one single person either on the panel or in the audience made the comparison between crash helmets and the ‘veil’. There were even a few Muslim women wearing the full dress and veil and they were allowed to say their piece from behind a mask, instead of being asked to remove it so that everyone could see their face and be able to judge the sincerity of the said piece.

One member of the panel even went as far as to suggest that talking to a person wearing a veil was no different to talking to them over the phone. But in the phone case neither can see the other’s face so they are on a level playing field.

The thought occurs that many office employees have a photo ID card either pinned to the outer clothing or hanging around the neck. How can you check if the person wearing the photo ID is that person, if they are wearing a veil?