The NHS is rediculous - Page 15

KIPAX · 20-06-2007, 22:49

Your a rascal dave. tell em the truth

cashman · 21-06-2007, 00:00

back on topic,lol i have had many positive things to say about the NHS recently,now i will rip the crap out of em. my lass was in a car accident nov14th and went for physio to accyvic, thinking they know what there doing she trusted them, this treatment made her worse,she had to go to Beardwood at blackburn n the consultant told her she had been given the wrong treatment for her injury,and she was to get Private Physio,which was arranged for her, she has now had 4 treatments with this n is feeling a good bit better,(she has had to sleep with a pillow under her leg since november) this physio found it difficult to believe what they actually did at accy n said- they shouldn,t be doing it they do not know what they are doing n will make many folk worse doing that with similar injuries, this makes me very angry,cos paris has really suffered,for NOWT,what the hell is going on here? end of rant.

WillowTheWhisp · 21-06-2007, 07:25

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Willow can you delete me - I dont want any suggestion of trouble for Dave

Sorry Margaret - I can only do that on the other one.

WillowTheWhisp · 21-06-2007, 07:28

Cashman, have you and Paris complained to Accy Vic? That's terrible that she was given the wrong treatment and they ought to be told what the consultant at Beardwood said.

cashman · 21-06-2007, 08:06

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Cashman, have you and Paris complained to Accy Vic? That's terrible that she was given the wrong treatment and they ought to be told what the consultant at Beardwood said.

no not till ive finished my own treatment.

WillowTheWhisp · 21-06-2007, 08:50

I'd be getting my complaint in now if it was me to make sure they didn't dare muck you about as well.

MargaretR · 21-06-2007, 09:11

I was messed up by Accy Physio 13 years ago. They gave me neck traction twice a week for 5 weeks before an xray revealed osteoarthritis in all 7 neck joints -so I suffered the traction for no purpose.

Ber999T · 21-06-2007, 09:20

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Originally Posted by blazey

I didn't say it was the case, I said maybe that's why he wasn't keen to help. If things aren't done be regulations these days you can guarantee a lawsuit against you even if you were acting within decent morals.

Just to clarify a point here.

Under the GOOD SAMARITION act you can act in trying to save a life but you must not exceed your level of skills or use equipment that you are not trained for. This act could stop a law suit (think in UK only though)

GP's are trained and can do lots of things but have to make sure that the treatment is the best they can give. They don't carry the equipment that is on an Ambulance.

Within this area the NWAS has a good response time for most calls.

What I will say and stress to everyone is if in doubt about someone's condition call out the Ambulance NOT GP if it turns out that it best treated by GP that can be arranged but if it needs more skilful assistances then they can be treated and transported to A&E.

If you know of anybody who suffers from Angina and they start with Chest Pain make sure they stop what they are doing and take their GTN.

If they are at rest, sitting down or in bed and the pain starts take GTN and get Ambulance out otherwise give it 5 minutes to work and if no better re-take and call for Ambulance even if they say no get Dr.

Asthma and COPD suffers call out Ambulance if having Difficulty in Breathing (DIB)

Without my Ambulance nearby I'm only as good as what I can lay my hands on, and yes JB we would look round for medications etc but if life at risk, time critical condition/injuries, it scoop and run!!

garinda · 21-06-2007, 09:22

Sorry to hear about other peoples bad experiences at Accy Vic's physio department.

I go there to, but for preventative measures, and not to help an injury, so I guess it's different. The treatments I have, to help my walking, and stop my muscles from wasting away too quickly, have certainly helped.

blazey · 29-06-2007, 12:07

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Originally Posted by Ber999T

Just to clarify a point here.

Under the GOOD SAMARITION act you can act in trying to save a life but you must not exceed your level of skills or use equipment that you are not trained for. This act could stop a law suit (think in UK only though)

GP's are trained and can do lots of things but have to make sure that the treatment is the best they can give. They don't carry the equipment that is on an Ambulance.

Within this area the NWAS has a good response time for most calls.

What I will say and stress to everyone is if in doubt about someone's condition call out the Ambulance NOT GP if it turns out that it best treated by GP that can be arranged but if it needs more skilful assistances then they can be treated and transported to A&E.

If you know of anybody who suffers from Angina and they start with Chest Pain make sure they stop what they are doing and take their GTN.

If they are at rest, sitting down or in bed and the pain starts take GTN and get Ambulance out otherwise give it 5 minutes to work and if no better re-take and call for Ambulance even if they say no get Dr.

Asthma and COPD suffers call out Ambulance if having Difficulty in Breathing (DIB)

Without my Ambulance nearby I'm only as good as what I can lay my hands on, and yes JB we would look round for medications etc but if life at risk, time critical condition/injuries, it scoop and run!!

If anything went wrong though the prosecuting barrister would probably pick fault with something else under another act. In France everyone is under a duty of care to anyone they see have an accident or in need of some sort of help, in UK, your not under any Act that states you need to help. With the pressures upon doctors these days under the strain of the NHS I think I'd be wary of doing something off duty in case I was too tired from the pressures of ON-duty life to help properly.

Most people are unwilling to help in this country when a stranger needs it. Why a doctor should be criticised just because he didn't go to help isn't really something we should pick fault with. I got beat up on a main road by a large gang of girls and cars just drove on by like nothing was happening, but I wont think badly of them for not helping, as there is just no duty to do so and its always easier to not get involved unfortunatly.

Lilly · 29-06-2007, 12:15

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If anything went wrong though the prosecuting barrister would probably pick fault with something else under another act. In France everyone is under a duty of care to anyone they see have an accident or in need of some sort of help, in UK, your not under any Act that states you need to help. With the pressures upon doctors these days under the strain of the NHS I think I'd be wary of doing something off duty in case I was too tired from the pressures of ON-duty life to help properly.

Most people are unwilling to help in this country when a stranger needs it. Why a doctor should be criticised just because he didn't go to help isn't really something we should pick fault with. I got beat up on a main road by a large gang of girls and cars just drove on by like nothing was happening, but I wont think badly of them for not helping, as there is just no duty to do so and its always easier to not get involved unfortunatly.

If I had been passing and seen you being attacked in the street I like to think I would have come to your aid but I understand that a lot of people would not do so for fear of being attacked themselves.However,there is a difference between a member of the public not wanting to get involved in a street attack and a doctor who is unwilling to go to a flat accross the road from his surgery to help save a life.

blazey · 29-06-2007, 12:24

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Originally Posted by Lilly

If I had been passing and seen you being attacked in the street I like to think I would have come to your aid but I understand that a lot of people would not do so for fear of being attacked themselves.However,there is a difference between a member of the public not wanting to get involved in a street attack and a doctor who is unwilling to go to a flat accross the road from his surgery to help save a life.

Perhaps the doctor was merely afraid of the possibility of having a death on his hands? I know its not very professional of a doctor to not go to someones aid but doctors who ust do general consultancy aren't necessarily prepared to deal with such a situation and their own personal feelings towards it may have been involved. I assume doctors get frightened and have feelings too.

bullseyebarb · 29-06-2007, 19:24

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I do believe that Michael Moore (Roger and Me, Bowling for Columbine, Farenheit 911) is making a movie about medical care in America. Having the good fortune to live in a country which firmly believes that medical care should be available to all citizens, I await this documentary with interest. Universal, govt. funded health care, with its problems and its f**k ups is still way better than the health care for profit system.

Perhaps you'd like to read this - from a Canadian doctor. OpinionJournal - Featured Article

There is also the recent release of Regina Hertzlinger's book, "Who Killed Healthcare", which is on my list of must reads. I heard her being interviewed on the radio this week. She talks about the Swiss system of universal healthcare - which I would support, because it is consumer driven. Both good reality checks to Michael Moore's, "SIcko".

steeljack · 10-07-2007, 00:32

Cyfr , maybe this could be the answer to your on going problem
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Surrey | Doctor 'prescribed an exorcism'

sorry for the flippancy , but maybe you need to think about it .

the last sentance to the article is the kicker ..........IF found guilty ........

Ianto.W. · 10-07-2007, 13:04

You never know steeljack, if they keep her on I mighn't just consult her myself.