The NHS is rediculous - Page 2

andrewb · 03-05-2007, 08:47

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Originally Posted by flashytart

well the answer to this thread is simple isnt it, if you dont like the FREE NHS then pay to go private

Its not free though is it. We are taxed out of our ears, and then stealth taxed some more.

Therefore we have a right to complain about the service.

flashy · 03-05-2007, 08:49

i wasnt saying dont complain about it, was merely pointing out the fact that we get a lot more form the NHS (fair enough yes people do pay tax) than they would in another country, people have to pay for it, and sometimes cant even get any sort of medical attention at all

entwisi · 03-05-2007, 08:49

hark the new taxpayer!

Ber999T · 03-05-2007, 08:51

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

It must be very frustrating Lettie for anyone within the NHS who can see why it isn't working and yet still to be tied by all the nonsense.

I don't know if Blackburn A&E is the same as Lancaster Jambutty but when I went there with my daughter one summer they explained that the few people you see in the waiting room are the walking wounded with no life threatening problems. What you don't see are those brought in by ambulance and those whose lives hang in the balance and whose needs must take precedence so although it seems on the surface that they are taking forever to deal with a handful of patients you are not seeing all the others whose need is far greater.

I couldn't have said that any better Willow. Plenty of times when I take someone to A&E (Triage) they will still be there about 3 hours later, but I may have taken another 2 cases into MAJORS where the staff have to deal with the more serious cases first. It doesn't matter which hospital I go to they all have to work the same way.

They do a "see & treat" both at BGH (Burnley) and RBH (Blackburn) now and this seems to be helping at times, not fully sure how it works but think senior nurses been given more training and scope to deal with see & treat cases.

Ber999T · 03-05-2007, 08:56

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Originally Posted by flashytart

well the answer to this thread is simple isn't it, if you don't like the FREE NHS then pay to go private

Flashy I have been called to "Private" hospitals to take patients to A&E cause they can't deal with ACUTE causes of illness as they don't have the necessary equipment/treatment or staff.

Sometimes going private is the way forward but you still see the same Consultant as you would within the NHS (if you stay within your own area)

flashy · 03-05-2007, 08:58

yes i know this, i myself could never afford to go private, what i'm saying is, i think we have a pretty good NHS at least we dont have to pay for it

*goes and bangs her head against a wall*

lettie · 03-05-2007, 09:02

It's a long time since I worked in A&E but it sounds like the walking wounded still have to wait whilst the major life threatening cases are dealt with first. These cases never see the waiting room but go straight into a treatment room or resuscitation if they are really critical.

The plan is that the new health centres being built will cater for some of the walking wounded, but we all know that some GPs won't do it, and some people will still turn up in A&E rather than go to the health centre.

Ber999T · 03-05-2007, 09:09

Know what your saying in that it "free at point of delivery" but with all the taxes that we pay (we all pay VAT) surely the NHS could be run better. Like lettie said they have to have a meeting about anything and I have been told that this is to be a new policy

"The use of staples to fasten papers.
The health and safety committee have now deemed that staples are to be considered as SHARPS and therefore the continued use MUST be actively discouraged"

Believe that meeting took over 2 hours and just wait till some patients notes get lost or mixed up and then they would be in meetings!!!!!!!!!!!

lettie · 03-05-2007, 09:14

Lol Ber999T, that would be funny if it wasn't true but unfortunately...........

Ber999T · 03-05-2007, 09:26

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Originally Posted by lettie

Lol Ber999T, that would be funny if it wasn't true but unfortunately...........

I got a rite telling off in A&E when I had stapled all my papers together but not been informed of the new policy.

I had the main PRF, Morphine administered sheet, Thrombosis used check sheet, other drugs used and 3 12-lead ECG's so had like 7 different sheets...........madness in the asylum.........................

SPUGGIE J · 03-05-2007, 09:56

Someone will be pushing for PDA's so that the info can be recorded on a computer. If the NHS has esided that staples are infact dangerous then why havent the H&E mob been running round trying to ban em. Are the going to have a large supply of paper clips available or are they deemed unsafe?

Ber999T · 03-05-2007, 11:35

Already use a "tuff-book" PC to record all patients details but as yet not been able to link with hospital networks to up-load information so have to use a "smart-card" and reader to print of details then go and let receptionists put the patient details in so that can be printed on to a causality attendance card which then becomes part of the patients record. It is hoped that sometime in the future we'll be able to up-load direct to network and cas card prints and we don't have to bother the busy staff on front desk!!

ah dream times !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jambutty · 03-05-2007, 11:46

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

It must be very frustrating Lettie for anyone within the NHS who can see why it isn't working and yet still to be tied by all the nonsense.

I don't know if Blackburn A&E is the same as Lancaster Jambutty but when I went there with my daughter one summer they explained that the few people you see in the waiting room are the walking wounded with no life threatening problems. What you don't see are those brought in by ambulance and those whose lives hang in the balance and whose needs must take precedence so although it seems on the surface that they are taking forever to deal with a handful of patients you are not seeing all the others whose need is far greater.

I appreciate that ambulance cases should take precedence over the ‘walking wounded’ but during the time that my daughter’s feller was waiting he only saw two ambulances arrive.

Ber999T · 03-05-2007, 12:02

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Originally Posted by jambutty

I appreciate that ambulance cases should take precedence over the ‘walking wounded’ but during the time that my daughter’s feller was waiting he only saw two ambulances arrive.

I understand what your saying jambutty but if there is a serious case that needs several things checking i.e. fractures, breathing, blood loss, abdominal injuries all these are done but the specialist staff sometimes have to be called in from home.

So for a time the A&E staff have to look after the patients or get them transferred.

2 ambulances could well have had 2 serious cases.

We never know what we will find when called out, as sometime the information has not been gleaned from the person making the call, but we know that if it serious then a stand-by call to A&E will ensure that staff are aware of what we are bringing in..

WillowTheWhisp · 03-05-2007, 12:48

When my daughter was rushed to Blackburn A&E following a road accident she was in a critical life threatening condition for several hours. If anyone sitting in A&E is then capable of going home and coming back the next day without having been seen and then complains about the staff not being available because 'only' two ambulances turned up all I can say is be thankful that it isn't one of your loved ones in one of those ambulances.