The Tories

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Mr LivingstonE, I presume!

Seems he's leaving politics behind and is opening a tea shop of sorts -expect Boris will be popping in for his cuppa before going into the office

Would you buy a cuppa form that guy, no thank you

[cmonstanley]

good he has gone he was a liability,but boris to be the next pm

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

good he has gone he was a liability,but boris to be the next pm

I think I would put up with a dodgy haircut than dodgy Balls.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by mobertol

Mr LivingstonE, I presume!

Seems he's leaving politics behind and is opening a tea shop of sorts -expect Boris will be popping in for his cuppa before going into the office

Wonder if he'll be doing food, dogs dinner & baloney a speciality I'd imagine.

[cmonstanley]

i think ian duncan smith should go as he has hit a new low .what a nasty piece of work he is.Welsh Minister calls for Iain Duncan Smith to be sacked | Wales - ITV News

[accyman]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

i think ian duncan smith should go as he has hit a new low .what a nasty piece of work he is.Welsh Minister calls for Iain Duncan Smith to be sacked | Wales - ITV News

next he will be calling for those pesky ramps to be removed from public buildings

[cmonstanley]

did you know? you now have no workers rights for 2 years.i wonder what other workers rights will be next to go.all sponsored by the head honcho of wonga.com who charge 1000% plus apr tories = scum BBC News - Vince Cable calls sacking plans in Beecroft report 'the wrong approach'

[Mancie]

Ah yes the "Beecroft Report".. another quango that this government have paid millions to a Tory donor..
The report, which was published on Monday, was compiled by Conservative Adrian Beecroft..Beecroft has donated £573,076 with the last transfer in October 2011..no change there eh?

[jaysay]

Hello dick and domare back

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Hello dick and domare back

But you can't see my posts..I'm on "ingore"

[Mancie]

And no response from the "old time" socialists?.. this lot are trying to bring in laws that can sack people on the spot.. the same laws this country had 100 yrs ago.. what say you?

[Eric]

Originally Posted by Mancie

And no response from the "old time" socialists?.. this lot are trying to bring in laws that can sack people on the spot.. the same laws this country had 100 yrs ago.. what say you?

"A fit land for heroes to live in"

[cmonstanley]

heres 500,000 grand wanna do me favour i know create fear destroy employment laws so when they are desperate i can charge them 7000% apr to hell with the peasants let them rot...

[Guinness]

Employment law needs reforming...it's extremely difficult to actually fire someone even if they constantly screw up.

You have to follow a long drawn out disciplinary process that is heavily weighted to the employee. Then you have to put up with union representatives arguing that you cannot fire the person because you didn't dot the 'i' and cross the 't' in the initial warning letter.

Then you have the appeal which goes over the same ground.

Then you get taken to tribunal anyway because the employee has nothing to lose and everything to gain because it doesn't cost them anything win or lose.

All this costs time and money to the employer, who usually settles by giving a couple of grand to the employee because it's cheaper in the long run even if the employer wins the case.

Imagine for instance, someone doesn't turn in to work for two weeks, no phone calls, no sicknote, nada...you have to keep that persons job open for him, you have to attempt to contact him, he doesn't turn up the third week, you then have to write to him, giving him a 'reasonable' (which is open to interpretation), amount of time to respond.

We are now in to week 5 without a response, you again have to write informing that a disciplinary will be held, again you have to give a reasonable amount of time for a response. You hear that he is posting on facebook that he is in Spain having a holiday, but you still have to keep that job open and follow procedure. No response by week 8 and you hold the disciplinary in his absence and fire him. You've lost eight weeks production. He finally responds by letter with a backdated sicknote saying that he has depression caused by work related stress and is taking you to tribunal for adding to the stress by firing him.

You now have reams and reams of paperwork to complete, you have pay for the time of all involved to prepare for and attend the tribunal..much simpler for the employer to pay a few grand to make this go away.

And the upshot is, the employer will not give anyone a chance in future, he'll make damn sure that he will only employ people with bona fide, rock solid references and work history. He won't take a chance on anyone who has been sick and trying to get back into work, nor will he give youngsters without a work history a chance. Once bitten, twice shy!

Employment law as it stands is a double edged sword, personally I'd put it on a par with the Human Rights Act in that it's open to abuse because it's been poorly legislated.

[cashman]

I assume yeh never been to an employment tribunal Guinness? The fact is they find in Employers favour 80% of the time. Fact. according to ACAS only approx 6 weeks ago the employee or his union,if he happens to have one are liable for costs incurred if they lose.