The Tories

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Mancie

The main reason these useless tories got any sort of vote was the feckless idiots that vote for them no matter what and those who believed they would sort out our economy...they were and are wrong.. and as long as we have this knackerd government it won't get any better... BBC News - UK government borrows £600m in July as tax receipts dip

Results like this are not welcome but just imagine if they had been sprung when Gordon Brown had been in charge!

No need to imagine. The Government borrowed £8bn the last July Labour were in office. Public Sector Finances, July 2009

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by andrewb

No need to imagine. The Government borrowed £8bn the last July Labour were in office. Public Sector Finances, July 2009

My thoughts exactly Andrew

[Lucysgirl]

Originally Posted by Mancie

The main reason these useless tories got any sort of vote was the feckless idiots that vote for them no matter what and those who believed they would sort out our economy...they were and are wrong.. and as long as we have this knackerd government it won't get any better... BBC News - UK government borrows £600m in July as tax receipts dip

Results like this are not welcome but just imagine if they had been sprung when Gordon Brown had been in charge!

Cheer up.

One thing was very noticeable after the news was announced: not one share price lost its value and not one international financial backer threatened to demote the UK's financial standing.

[Houseboy]

This thread seems to have taken on a life of it's own (viral or what) and I will admit I haven't read all of it, I honestly don't have that kind of spare time, but it does seem to give a good indication of the political diversity on this forum, and that's good.
My view of politics has changed over the years and I have become less "committed" to any one party. I am a life long, (or at least adult long) socialist, not out of some political dogma but out of an innate sense of fairness but even that has diminshed somewhat due to the fact that the more I learn about humanity the more I realise it can never really work. The fact is though I still have an intense dislike of the Tories because nothing in their principles is aimed at fairness, and there still is an overwhelimg bias toward the wealthy. There was a time (pre-late seventies) that concensus politics ruled and there was less radicalism but the Thatcher era put an end to all that. She took politics in this country so far to the right that it created what came to be known as the wratchet system. In other words the labour party itself had to become more right wing to compete with the greed and selfishness that ensued.
I thought the dark days of Thatcher were long gone but the present incumbents are showing the same attitude of shifting wealth from the poor to the rich that occurred then.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Houseboy

I am a life long, (or at least adult long) socialist,

I still have an intense dislike of the Tories because nothing in their principles is aimed at fairness,

I thought the dark days of Thatcher were long gone but the present incumbents are showing the same attitude

Mancies going to love you.

[cashman]

Oh well Houseboy, yer certainly improving.

[Houseboy]

Thanks, just don't get me started on Teresa Gorman and the Wimbeldon ticket touts. Even senior Tories at the time thought that was a step too far.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Houseboy

Thanks, just don't get me started on Teresa Gorman and the Wimbeldon ticket touts. Even senior Tories at the time thought that was a step too far.

I've just gone right off you

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by andrewb

No need to imagine. The Government borrowed £8bn the last July Labour were in office. Public Sector Finances, July 2009

What?..UK debt and borrowing has increased by around 12% since 2010..I know you may have to tell some porkies for the Tory MP you work for doing "research" ..but try to retain some kind of dignity eh?..maybe to much to ask for.

[cmonstanley]

pus more porkies about selling public parks leisure centres will be next

[Houseboy]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I've just gone right off you

Oh, come on Jay, it's just my opinion. But you can't seriously believe that the Thatcher years were a bed of roses for most people can you?

• Record unemployment
• VAT raised almost double (8 to 15%) to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy
• De-regulation of the financial services industry (look where that left us)
• Privatisations of the power industry that is now coming home to roost (look at your recent gas & electricity bills)
• Privatisation of water (the worst one of all) giving a (still) total monopoly on a life essential product
• The decimation of an industry (mining) based on revenge for the embarrassment it caused to previous Tory goverments
• See the above for the destruction of communities because of same
• The division of the nation into north and south/rich and poor on a scale not seen since fuedal times (okay, that may be stretching a point but you understand my meaning)

I could go on with the facts and back them up with historical proof but I think you see what I mean. The Thatcher years were a miserable time for most peopple living outside of the South East of England. As for Scotland, one or two senior Tories are even now suggesting that they owe them an apology for that time.
Having said all that I am more than willing to listen to anyone who can tell me any good that came from those years "for the majority of people".

[cashman]

In my opinion,yeh got more chance of platting snot, than Jaysay admitting he sees what yeh mean.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Houseboy

Oh, come on Jay, it's just my opinion. But you can't seriously believe that the Thatcher years were a bed of roses for most people can you?

• Record unemployment
• VAT raised almost double (8 to 15%) to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy
• De-regulation of the financial services industry (look where that left us)
• Privatisations of the power industry that is now coming home to roost (look at your recent gas & electricity bills)
• Privatisation of water (the worst one of all) giving a (still) total monopoly on a life essential product
• The decimation of an industry (mining) based on revenge for the embarrassment it caused to previous Tory goverments
• See the above for the destruction of communities because of same
• The division of the nation into north and south/rich and poor on a scale not seen since fuedal times (okay, that may be stretching a point but you understand my meaning)

I could go on with the facts and back them up with historical proof but I think you see what I mean. The Thatcher years were a miserable time for most peopple living outside of the South East of England. As for Scotland, one or two senior Tories are even now suggesting that they owe them an apology for that time.
Having said all that I am more than willing to listen to anyone who can tell me any good that came from those years "for the majority of people".

Ya can't call the blessed Margaret to me, but for her we would now live in a banana republic after Silly Billy and Sonny Jim's escapades in the 70s

[Less]

Originally Posted by cashman

In my opinion,yeh got more chance of platting snot, than Jaysay admitting he sees what yeh mean.

I quite agree, but as it happens I do have a spare bucket of snot if anyone fancies trying, maybe you'll be able to do it if you thicken it with sawdust and rocking horse droppings?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

I quite agree, but as it happens I do have a spare bucket of snot if anyone fancies trying, maybe you'll be able to do it if you thicken it with sawdust and rocking horse droppings?

Only you could have a spare bucket of snot Less