The Tories

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Lucysgirl

I worked for an engineering company in the 1950s when the standard rate of tax on all income was 47.5% and the higher rate was 99%. We exported 78% of our products and although I don't know what the gross sales income was I assume the company paid the full whack of 99% on its net income. The company invested in people - they provided playing fields & equiupment, team uniforms, tennis courts, paid for further education and looked after its pensioners.

I've always thought the drawback to modernising our own factories, is that we sold much of our old machinery abroad and taught the new owners how to use it, which meant that there was much more competition, cheaper competition, for us in the world's market place. Additionally; don't forget quite a few blueprints of our old cars went to countries which hadn't got a history of designing and manufacturing cars.

Lucy we had British companies making machinery for the cotton industry and exported it to countries who then started to undercut us and that went on up to the late 80s

[Less]

Originally Posted by Lucysgirl

Additionally; don't forget quite a few blueprints of our old cars went to countries which hadn't got a history of designing and manufacturing cars.

Yes, and those blue prints went with a couple of training manuals designed by our car manufacturers bosses,
How to use rust as a substitute for decent steel and How to coat pre-rusted vehicles with a paint substitute that offers no protection at all The blue prints were good well designed, no corners cut, the quality of the finished product here, rubbish!
They based their models on the blueprints but added quality control because they unlike our management actually gave a ****.

[Mancie]

Why don't this lot admit they messed it up from the start and should have had this approach to the economy two years ago?..and yet again they go back to the same old dogma and rely on the private sector..they are clueless!

BBC News - George Osborne in £50bn private sector building vow

[Lucysgirl]

Originally Posted by Mancie

Why don't this lot admit they messed it up from the start and should have had this approach to the economy two years ago?..and yet again they go back to the same old dogma and rely on the private sector..they are clueless!

BBC News - George Osborne in £50bn private sector building vow

Maybe I've been looking in the wrong places, but I haven't yet come across any member of the public discussing new ideas of how to get the British and/or European economies growing.....

We need to export and I think the coalition government were right to initially allocate money to researching new ideas/products which pushed the boundaries.

I'm wary of this new idea taken from your link: <<
The Treasury said the The Infrastructure (Financial Assistance) Bill, which builds on a scheme launched in July, will give the green light to £40bn of construction projects by using the government's low interest rates to underwrite them.
To qualify, the projects must be "nationally significant", ready to start construction within 12 months, financially credible and "good value" for taxpayers.>>


In conjunction with other legislation re red tape, that latter sentence could mean the Spanish owned airport owners could flatten ancient English villages, churches, graveyards, etc in an expansion plan.



We're not exporting enough which means that the money in circulation isn't being brought into the country via exports but is only being passed around in the UK. Bear in mind that any jobs created don't all go to English heritage workers - I make that note because as I walked around Asda and the town the other day most people passed me conversing in foreign languages. Quite a proportion of immigrant workers send a portion of their wages to family in their country of origin. This proportion of workers is greater in number than experienced in previous difficult times and I'#m afraid any government has a greater hill to climb than any previous government.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Lucysgirl

Maybe I've been looking in the wrong places, but I haven't yet come across any member of the public discussing new ideas of how to get the British and/or European economies growing.....

We need to export and I think the coalition government were right to initially allocate money to researching new ideas/products which pushed the boundaries.

I'm wary of this new idea taken from your link: <<
The Treasury said the The Infrastructure (Financial Assistance) Bill, which builds on a scheme launched in July, will give the green light to £40bn of construction projects by using the government's low interest rates to underwrite them.
To qualify, the projects must be "nationally significant", ready to start construction within 12 months, financially credible and "good value" for taxpayers.>>


In conjunction with other legislation re red tape, that latter sentence could mean the Spanish owned airport owners could flatten ancient English villages, churches, graveyards, etc in an expansion plan.



We're not exporting enough which means that the money in circulation isn't being brought into the country via exports but is only being passed around in the UK. Bear in mind that any jobs created don't all go to English heritage workers - I make that note because as I walked around Asda and the town the other day most people passed me conversing in foreign languages. Quite a proportion of immigrant workers send a portion of their wages to family in their country of origin. This proportion of workers is greater in number than experienced in previous difficult times and I'#m afraid any government has a greater hill to climb than any previous government.

Lucy your wasting your time, if it rains on washing days its the Tories fault, this is the same guy along with his man from the north who never said a wrong word when the last Government were throwing money away had over fist, so I sure as hell ain't listening to the Guardian crap they spout on here

[Houseboy]

I see this one's still raging then? I've just come back off holiday and thought this thread would be well gone. Just goes to show that, love 'em or hate 'em, the Tories are always good for a conversation.
Incidentally, whilst I was on holiday I lost my job (office shut down whilst I was enjoying my hols), I suppose it's a sign of the times. I've come back to nothing but at least I can blame the Tories (there's no-one else to blame just now but I'll think of someone).

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Houseboy

I see this one's still raging then? I've just come back off holiday and thought this thread would be well gone. Just goes to show that, love 'em or hate 'em, the Tories are always good for a conversation.
Incidentally, whilst I was on holiday I lost my job (office shut down whilst I was enjoying my hols), I suppose it's a sign of the times. I've come back to nothing but at least I can blame the Tories (there's no-one else to blame just now but I'll think of someone).

Think this thread started on the day after the general election and contributed to mostly by those who for the previous 13 years had cheered Blair Brown and company on, while they ran this country to the edge of financial ruin.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Houseboy

I see this one's still raging then? I've just come back off holiday and thought this thread would be well gone. Just goes to show that, love 'em or hate 'em, the Tories are always good for a conversation.
Incidentally, whilst I was on holiday I lost my job (office shut down whilst I was enjoying my hols), I suppose it's a sign of the times. I've come back to nothing but at least I can blame the Tories (there's no-one else to blame just now but I'll think of someone).

Just shows you don't know the site very well, the only time a thread goes dead is when there is no longer any potential to wander in it.

[Houseboy]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Think this thread started on the day after the general election and contributed to mostly by those who for the previous 13 years had cheered Blair Brown and company on, while they ran this country to the edge of financial ruin.

That's if you actually believe the Tory hype about the state of the economy. When your beloved Margaret came to power she spent a good 4/5 years blaming the previous Labour government for everything. She didn't seem too concerned about her own governments shortcomings.
As for Blair, he was a breath of fresh air for quite some time until he became the warmongering fool that I will admit he became, that's why I ceased supporting the Labour party although I do think they are electable now. Brown as Chancellor, however, was in charge of one of the best periods, economically, that this country has seen in years.
As for your reply, Less, you are quite right, I'm still coming to grips with the fact that some threads on here seem to have more shelf life than Tutankhamun's bandages.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Houseboy

That's if you actually believe the Tory hype about the state of the economy. When your beloved Margaret came to power she spent a good 4/5 years blaming the previous Labour government for everything. She didn't seem too concerned about her own governments shortcomings.
As for Blair, he was a breath of fresh air for quite some time until he became the warmongering fool that I will admit he became, that's why I ceased supporting the Labour party although I do think they are electable now. Brown as Chancellor, however, was in charge of one of the best periods, economically, that this country has seen in years.
As for your reply, Less, you are quite right, I'm still coming to grips with the fact that some threads on here seem to have more shelf life than Tutankhamun's bandages.

Well, so far you don't impress me much, I may not be a Tory but, I haven't been overchuffed with Labour's attempt either, I would rather call you a simpleton than an Allie, no insult intended unless of course you are able to think.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Houseboy

That's if you actually believe the Tory hype about the state of the economy. When your beloved Margaret came to power she spent a good 4/5 years blaming the previous Labour government for everything. She didn't seem too concerned about her own governments shortcomings.
As for Blair, he was a breath of fresh air for quite some time until he became the warmongering fool that I will admit he became, that's why I ceased supporting the Labour party although I do think they are electable now. Brown as Chancellor, however, was in charge of one of the best periods, economically, that this country has seen in years.
As for your reply, Less, you are quite right, I'm still coming to grips with the fact that some threads on here seem to have more shelf life than Tutankhamun's bandages.

Get out of here, brown was a prat as Chancellor and Prime minister a useless prat at that, who always went missing when the the chips were down, Blair only felt like a breath of fresh air, until he was rumbled and the shine wore off, he couldn't had over to Brown fast enough when he knew this country was going down to tubes fast than the Titanic

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Get out of here, brown was a prat as Chancellor and Prime minister a useless prat at that, who always went missing when the the chips were down, Blair only felt like a breath of fresh air, until he was rumbled and the shine wore off, he couldn't had over to Brown fast enough when he knew this country was going down to tubes fast than the Titanic

Quite agree, Jay, but please don't try and peddle the myth that Cameron and his lot are any better. Just listening to the useless Teresa May on TV at the moment talking absolute twaddle.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Quite agree, Jay, but please don't try and peddle the myth that Cameron and his lot are any better. Just listening to the useless Teresa May on TV at the moment talking absolute twaddle.

Ya know me better Wyn, as your aware I'm no fan of Cameron, and Lansley being moved from the health service portfolio is about 12 months too late, I once met that guy in fact Ken Hargreaves and myself had lunch with him, he was an arrogant T well you know what I mean. My argument has always been about those who come on here and have us believe that everything was a bed of roses prior to 2010, unfortunately the roses were thorns

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Ya know me better Wyn, as your aware I'm no fan of Cameron, and Lansley being moved from the health service portfolio is about 12 months too late, I once met that guy in fact Ken Hargreaves and myself had lunch with him, he was an arrogant T well you know what I mean. My argument has always been about those who come on here and have us believe that everything was a bed of roses prior to 2010, unfortunately the roses were thorns

Oh yes, Jay, I would agree with you on that. However, Lansley's replacement is no better. A shifty, slimey shyster who should've been sacked weeks ago over the News International debacle. The NHS, whatever its many faults, is one of the good things this country has. I certainly fear for its wellbeing in the hands of this creep.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Oh yes, Jay, I would agree with you on that. However, Lansley's replacement is no better. A shifty, slimey shyster who should've been sacked weeks ago over the News International debacle. The NHS, whatever its many faults, is one of the good things this country has. I certainly fear for its wellbeing in the hands of this creep.

To be honest I would have preferred Liam Fox, but he doesn't seem the flavour of the month with Cameron, maybe didn't go to the right school