The Tories

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by garinda

I think my working class grandmother, brought up in an ardently socialist household, and whose husband had beeen killed in the war, and with two small children to bring up, did so because she hadn't a pot to pish in, and felt that war widows were largely ignored until Thatcher addressed this situation.

I think my working class grandmother, brought up in an ardently socialist household, whose husband luckily came back from the war and helped her bring up two small children while they were both working and not economically challenged...would never have voted Tory, but then she didn't have the same problems.

She hated Mrs T with a vehemence which I can still remember and which is recalled in one of my Grandad's letters to me where he says she was in the background, as he was writing, going on about how she'd personally chuck Maggie Thatcher in the canal if she ever set foot in Accrington -this over the Pole tax BTW!

She never forgave my mother for voting Tory and keeping Thatcher in power -my mum saw her as a strong positive female role. Which possibly she was in her day -no female PM's since here anyway...

[garinda]

Originally Posted by mobertol

I think my working class grandmother, brought up in an ardently socialist household, whose husband luckily came back from the war and helped her bring up two small children while they were both working and not economically challenged...would never have voted Tory, but then she didn't have the same problems.

She hated Mrs T with a vehemence which I can still remember and which is recalled in one of my Grandad's letters to me where he says she was in the background, as he was writing, going on about how she'd personally chuck Maggie Thatcher in the canal if she ever set foot in Accrington -this over the Pole tax BTW!

She never forgave my mother for voting Tory and keeping Thatcher in power -my mum saw her as a strong positive female role. Which possibly she was in her day -no female PM's since here anyway...

I dtested Thatcher, and all she stood for.

However I fear the history books will record her as being the post-war Prime Minister...with the biggest bollocks.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by garinda

Stupid question anyway.

Like asking why some of the middle and upper classes voted for Blair, and not adhere to the labels some would attach to them, and assume they were Tory voters.

Why?

Firstly, because they we're free to vote for whovever.

Secondly, they, like many others of us, were stupid.

The question itself begs that we all fall into line and behave in a certain way because of our circumstances.

As you say everyone is free to vote how they wish depending on the issues of the day and how the various candidates propose to deal with them. Govenments change because the situation changes and people's reaction to the change differs. We aren't all a load of sheep -though many did get the wool pulled over their eyes by Mr Blair and co...

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by garinda

I dtested Thatcher, and all she stood for.

However I fear the history books will record her as being the post-war Prime Minister...with the biggest bollocks.

She probably physically grew them while in power -did you not try to casually slip your hand under the table and find out over dinner

[garinda]

Originally Posted by mobertol

The question itself begs that we all fall into line and behave in a certain way because of our circumstances.

As you say everyone is free to vote how they wish depending on the issues of the day and how the various candidates propose to deal with them. Govenments change because the situation changes and people's reaction to the change differs. We aren't all a load of sheep -though many did get the wool pulled over their eyes by Mr Blair and co...

Things do change.

I never envisaged being anything other than a Labour voter.

Though I never will again.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by mobertol

She probably physically grew them while in power -did you not try to casually slip your hand under the table and find out over dinner

No.

I didn't have the balls.

Besides, her bag was in the way.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by garinda

Things do change.

I never envisaged being anything other than a Labour voter.

Though I never will again.

Never say never - they may change again -would you vote Labour if I came to stand for Hyndburn

[Less]

Originally Posted by garinda

Things do change.

I never envisaged being anything other than a Labour voter.

Though I never will again.

I would vote for them again but only if they actually became a labour party.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Less

I would vote for them again but only if they actually became a labour party.

Me also but its a big but.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

No.

I didn't have the balls.

Besides, her bag was in the way.

Which is a little bit sexist.

As, because she was there, I'd have to leave my own downstairs with security.

(A briefcase by the way. Mine wasn't a proper handbag.)

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by garinda

No.

I didn't have the balls.

Besides, her bag was in the way.

Now that I can't believe (I know you did and still do!) -you are just an old-fashioned gentleman at heart and you know it.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cashman

Me also but its a big but.

A bigger one than Hattie Jaques's.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by garinda

A bigger one than Hattie Jaques's.

Much bigger n Hats.

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by garinda

Which is a little bit sexist.

As, because she was there, I'd have to leave my own downstairs with security.

(A briefcase by the way. Mine wasn't a proper handbag.)

Oh -I see it was a working dinner -you have such a lovely selection of evening bags -I'm quite envious -though I think perhaps I may beat you on the selection of stilettoes...but then again

[mobertol]

Originally Posted by Less

I would vote for them again but only if they actually became a labour party.

Could be a winning tactic -not moving back to the left, which would make sense - but dropping an upper case letter -wouldn't cost much either - less ink on the posters. What about a change of colour red is sooooo out this season