The Tories

[Margaret Pilkington]

You talk twaddle......and cannot put together a logical discussion.
You never Ever talk about the mighty mistakes that your beloved Labour party made...and they made some humdingers.......you have never once posted anything that is even mildly critical of the time the Labour administration was in power...the promises they made and did not fulfill.You have an unbalanced view of politics........all political parties are the same.......none of them are interested in the rights and desires of the electorate...which is why there is such apathy when it comes round to election time.
Get with the programme cmonstanley.......but no, that won't happen will it? You will continue to spew forth the same old same old.

[Boeing Guy]

Margaret, you cannot reason with him.
He will simply ignore you, seeing his very warped view of the world does not include listening to anyone who disagrees with him.
I have been ignored by him so many times, I have now added him to my ignore list.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

If we are talking about twaddle then your post must take the biscuit.

The destruction of British manufacturaing took hold when we started to export jobs abroad.

A local firm which you may have heard of Howard and Bulloughs were a great engineering firm employing many men and women in our small town........they started selling the machinery abroad...machinery which would make goods that we had previously made in the Uk....and making them cheaper, because the employment costs in the countries these machines sold to, was lower that the costs here in the UK...making their goods cheaper than ours.

We were penalised for importing goods from abroad, but were being told that exporting was good...yes the exporting of ready made products would have been good, but the export of Machinery to make those product was not so good...but it was backed by The Queens Award to Industry(Export).
This was first awarded in 1966...long before Margaret Thatcher came into power.
Once these jobs were gone they were gone for good. Never to return.

Tea towels(and a multitude of other woven cotton goods) that used to be made in Lancashire came into the country from Portugal...at a cost that we could not dream of making them for....and thus our industry declined.
The motor industry went in much the same way.

It is no damn good training apprentices if there is no industry to train them in...and no jobs for them to do.

And please do not get me started Ont eh benefits culture...I just do NOT want to go there!!!!!

Our friend from the north (I use the term very loosely Margaret) also forgets to mention the part the trade unions played in the destruction of our industry, "one out all out brothers" in the sixties we had one the finest car making industries in the world, but when the plants were shut down time after time, and cars weren't being delivered companies moved their plants to countries who appreciated the jobs and work they brought. No bigger example of a Union Shyster is good old Arthur Scargill who only the other week lost an High Court Action against the NUM which involved keeping in the lifestyle he'd become accustomed to, and it certainly wasn't the lifestyle of coal pit face worker, I'll always remember the secretary of the TUC say about Scargill, he went into the miners strike with a big union and a little house and came out the other side with a large house and a little union, now that is two faced hypocrisy in the first order

[cmonstanley]

yes but history shows they were right. we now import billions of coal which passes by from Hunterston Ayrshire.i watch the trains getting bigger and longer and more ships stacked up with coal unloading.which is more money out of the country. we were still getting the tax receipts from the companies and workers the world wide recession should be learning us a lesson in trying to be self sufficient .it doesnt make sense draining the country of money.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

yes but history shows they were right. we now import billions of coal which passes by from Hunterston Ayrshire.i watch the trains getting bigger and longer and more ships stacked up with coal unloading.which is more money out of the country. we were still getting the tax receipts from the companies and workers the world wide recession should be learning us a lesson in trying to be self sufficient .it doesnt make sense draining the country of money.

Ya and that coal cost around £40 a tone less that mining it in this country you berk, the country nor buisness can't keep paying for a chance child

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

yes but history shows they were right. we now import billions of coal which passes by from Hunterston Ayrshire.i watch the trains getting bigger and longer and more ships stacked up with coal unloading.which is more money out of the country. we were still getting the tax receipts from the companies and workers the world wide recession should be learning us a lesson in trying to be self sufficient .it doesnt make sense draining the country of money.

History shows who were right? The politicians? The Labour party? The unions?
Oh, No! How could I be so foolish?.....of course, I see it now, it has to be all the fault of the Tory party...with absolutely no help from any other quarter.

The large scale immigration that was allowed by some government or other, had nothing to do with any of this....with people coming here, but sending the money back home to where-ever, the claiming of benefits and child tax credits, even when you have gone back to your homeland...spent again, in a country where the cost of living is cheaper and the money buys more......AND benefits their economy...none of this has any impact I suppose.
You are blinkered and in a bad way too.

[cmonstanley]

the tories started to encouraged the large scale immigration in the 80s, they claimed to be anti European but they took us into Europe and signed the Maastricht treaty under john major.their ideology is to increase the population by any means its in their Adam smith economics labour wanted to destroy poverty in this country but people took advantage.the tories want to bring back poverty to britain,they want people to rely on charity and food banks they want people to work for nothing how is that good for society

[Less]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the tories started to encouraged the large scale immigration in the 80s,

Strange, I remember it happening in the 60's, but then, age makes a difference, I forget things.

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Ya and that coal cost around £40 a tone less that mining it in this country you berk, the country nor buisness can't keep paying for a chance child

what cutting your nose to spite your face,economies need people to work and contribute to the tax man not sit about on the dole .it cost more on the long run short term quick buck dont contribute to the tax man or society.how can anybody justify sending huge amounts of money abroad while sacking thousands of workers in the uk it would be interesting to see how much it really cost the country.

[BERNADETTE]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

what cutting your nose to spite your face,economies need people to work and contribute to the tax man not sit about on the dole .it cost more on the long run short term quick buck dont contribute to the tax man or society.how can anybody justify sending huge amounts of money abroad while sacking thousands of workers in the uk it would be interesting to see how much it really cost the country.

There are none so blind as those who don't want to see. How can you suddenly blame a tory/lib dem leadership for all the problems this country has when labour were in power for thirteen years? Open your eyes, none of the major parties are prepared to tackle the real problems of this country. Why oh why do you think Britian is the place so many people want to settle? We are a laughing stock WHOEVER is in power and still we have a benefits system that is being abused and sending billions in foreign aid to countries who are no doubt more wealthy than us, time to take the blinkers off IMHO

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by Less

Strange, I remember it happening in the 60's, but then, age makes a difference, I forget things.

i take it back you are right in fact what i should have said is they didnt discourage it . the figures were back down to pre 1997 figures at the last election.this goverment havent a clue how many are coming in as they sacked off half the border agency staff.{which was set up by labour to curb illegal immigration**

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

There are none so blind as those who don't want to see. How can you suddenly blame a tory/lib dem leadership for all the problems this country has when labour were in power for thirteen years? Open your eyes, none of the major parties are prepared to tackle the real problems of this country. Why oh why do you think Britian is the place so many people want to settle? We are a laughing stock WHOEVER is in power and still we have a benefits system that is being abused and sending billions in foreign aid to countries who are no doubt more wealthy than us, time to take the blinkers off IMHO

you havent a clue about the benefits in this country, its only too easy to blame britains problems on immigration.full home grown families have been on benefits for decades because the full employment clause was dropped from political manifestos in the 80s.

[BERNADETTE]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

you havent a clue about the benefits in this country, its only too easy to blame britains problems on immigration.full home grown families have been on benefits for decades because the full employment clause was dropped from political manifestos in the 80s.

How dare you say that I haven't a clue about the benefits system in this country you arrogant person? I know full well how hard it was for my late husband who had worked all his life to getv DLA when he was terminally ill. I am well aware of how Britains benefit system has been abused and often by families that have never worked but if you can't/won't see why folks are so eager up to get in for the chance of getting said benefits think it is you who can't/won't see the real problems the country is in. Do not try and talk down to me

[cmonstanley]

all i can say is sorry, but the benefits are changing dla is going in fact when universal credt and implementing universal credit is going create poverty.the tories are telling blatant lies saying all is well,suicide is increasing ,kids are going to school hungry,fiddling in unemployment figures,foodbanks increasing tenfold and disabled victimised.the facts are there.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Kids go to school hungry while their parents lie in bed after a night on the booze.......yes, you see them at the school gates in the afternoon smoking a fag......and talking about their latest aquisition of games console, TV etcetera.

There is less in the benefits pot, because more people who should not be claiming benefits, are claiming them....people who land on our shores from a foreign country, to be given housing clothing and full access to benefits.
They then live frugally and send the money back to their homeland where it benefits, not our economy, but theirs.

It will get worse from 2014 when Croatians will be allowed free let into this country, and access to the benfits system from the day they land......they are making plans in their millions to come here purely for money to live off my pension(my taxes will be used to fund these people).

You never once criticised the Labour government for their porous border control, this was a ploy to get more people they thought would vote for them, into the country...they failed to recognise(or maybe they thought somebody else would have the problem of sorting it out) the problems that such a great influx of low skilled and unskilled people coming into the country, would have on the infrastructure of our towns and cities. On Housing, on Health services, on schools, transport.

The only people who should be allowed into this country are those with skills we need.......and like in Australia, if they do not have the means to survive withou government help for a period of two years, then they too, should be banned from entry.

Labour governments also built a culture of welfare dependent families...again in the hope that these would vote for Labour candidates(well, they would wouldn't they - who wants benefits stopping ?). For some families a life on benefits is a lifestyle choice.
I am not saying that some benefit claimants aren't genuine, but that there are many who are not.

You won't hear a word of this against your beloved Labour party...who I suppose you consider to be 'socialist'....but they haven't been socialist for a damn long time.....unless of course, you consider Champagne socialism, true socialism.