The Tories

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Kids go to school hungry while their parents lie in bed after a night on the booze.......yes, you see them at the school gates in the afternoon smoking a fag......and talking about their latest aquisition of games console, TV etcetera.

There is less in the benefits pot, because more people who should not be claiming benefits, are claiming them....people who land on our shores from a foreign country, to be given housing clothing and full access to benefits.
They then live frugally and send the money back to their homeland where it benefits, not our economy, but theirs.

It will get worse from 2014 when Croatians will be allowed free let into this country, and access to the benfits system from the day they land......they are making plans in their millions to come here purely for money to live off my pension(my taxes will be used to fund these people).

You never once criticised the Labour government for their porous border control, this was a ploy to get more people they thought would vote for them, into the country...they failed to recognise(or maybe they thought somebody else would have the problem of sorting it out) the problems that such a great influx of low skilled and unskilled people coming into the country, would have on the infrastructure of our towns and cities. On Housing, on Health services, on schools, transport.

The only people who should be allowed into this country are those with skills we need.......and like in Australia, if they do not have the means to survive withou government help for a period of two years, then they too, should be banned from entry.

Labour governments also built a culture of welfare dependent families...again in the hope that these would vote for Labour candidates(well, they would wouldn't they - who wants benefits stopping ?). For some families a life on benefits is a lifestyle choice.
I am not saying that some benefit claimants aren't genuine, but that there are many who are not.

You won't hear a word of this against your beloved Labour party...who I suppose you consider to be 'socialist'....but they haven't been socialist for a damn long time.....unless of course, you consider Champagne socialism, true socialism.

Never thought I'd say this, but he's actually right about this one. The tories are readying themselves for a total assault on the welfare state with the introduction of the Universal Credit system. They are playing on the idea of the media led populist belief that everyone on the dole is a sponger, every single parent is called Kylie and only got pregnant to jump the housing queue and that young people are typified by those that appear on Jeremy Kyle.

Whilst I agree that there are people who abuse the current system, it's a very small minority and I also believe that the majority who do receive benefits genuinely need them. The system does indeed need pruning but instead of using shears, the tories are using a chainsaw.

They have already made massive cuts to thousands of people with mental health/learning disability needs, because they have no real voice to fight. They have significantly underfunded county councils, particularly those councils north of Watford Gap which has a knock on effect on reduced social care for the elderly and those with dementia.

They are interfering in peoples lifestyle choices, where they have no business to interfere, because they know whats best for us. e.g. 45p per unit.

After freezing NHS budgets, we have headlines of poor care and crap nursing. And this year they will put the final nail in the NHS when the commissioning board take over, despite doctors saying it will not work.

None of this can be ascribed to 13 years of Labour control despite what the tory redtop rags would have you believe. It is, and always has been the dogma of the tory party to destroy both the welfare state and the nhs.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the tories started to encouraged the large scale immigration in the 80s, they claimed to be anti European but they took us into Europe and signed the Maastricht treaty under john major.their ideology is to increase the population by any means its in their Adam smith economics labour wanted to destroy poverty in this country but people took advantage.the tories want to bring back poverty to britain,they want people to rely on charity and food banks they want people to work for nothing how is that good for society

You haven't a clue what poverty is you clown, if you want the see real poverty pop over to Ethiopia and have a gander there. To be honest I think its time you left the scottish fire water alone, as you obviously can't take it, then when you've sobered up have a peep at the real world and get rid of the world of a left wing narrow minded bigot, oh and just a though sign on at tech in an English usage course, now that would make it easier on the eye for those people who actually bother to read your drivel.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

what cutting your nose to spite your face,economies need people to work and contribute to the tax man not sit about on the dole .it cost more on the long run short term quick buck dont contribute to the tax man or society.how can anybody justify sending huge amounts of money abroad while sacking thousands of workers in the uk it would be interesting to see how much it really cost the country.

It always strikes me why if all this Tory legislation which has done so much damage to our country were not repealed between 1997 and 2010, after all if all these draconian laws and legislation are damaging why didn't Tony and Gordon make it right. Just a point on my post you've quoted off, the £40 per ton was at 1980 prices not 2012 prices

[Margaret Pilkington]

The benefits system has needed a radical rethink for years....and successive governments have given this the swerve, because they know that who-ever does do the pruning , it will be a vote loser.
People see their rights, but these days no-one sees the responsibilities...and where do the folk who draw benefits and could work, think this money is coming from?
Their money comes to them tax free...for no effort.......and they can spend it faster than I could ever earn it.

We give money away to the wrong people. It should never be more lucrative to be on benefits than to work.......and benefits should not be infinite.
I haven't got the answers to this conundrum,but there are people who are running this country who have access to the best brains(even if they aren't their own).
It needs sorting.

Sranding around playing the blame game and points scoring doesn't count as action.......there are too many words spoken and not enough definitive action happening.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Guinness, I do not belive that everyone who is on benefits is a scrounger, but some undoubtedly are...and while they take out of thepot they are actually removing money from people who should have it.......it isn't exactly stealing, because they know how to play the system...so it is the system at fault.

The only gripe I have with the chap from over the border is that every ill and ailment known to the common man is down to a tory government...when in actual fact we don't have a tory government...we have a coalition government.......and not once while his beloved Labour party was in power did he post a single solitary criticism against them.....despite their mistakes.
I love no political party. None of them are in it to do anything for me or you, the electorate.
They are only in it to feather their own nests, to jump on whatever gravy train will do them the most financial good. They lie to us, cheat money from us(the expenses scandal still hasn't gone away) they think they are better than us...look at the Chris Huhne case.......how long does it take to bring a common man to justice......if it were me or you we would be in chokey right now....and Andrew Mitchell too.
If you put them all in a bag you wouldn't have enough good parts to make two honest politicians.

It will be very interesting to see what happens at the next election.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

what cutting your nose to spite your face,economies need people to work and contribute to the tax man not sit about on the dole .it cost more on the long run short term quick buck dont contribute to the tax man or society.how can anybody justify sending huge amounts of money abroad while sacking thousands of workers in the uk it would be interesting to see how much it really cost the country.

I'm going to make a new year resolution....I'm not going to even try to make sense of your posts(like the one above...what in the name of sweet Jesus does any of that mean? I'm blowed if I know) anymore Cmonstanley......because in the main, they are tripe.....and I hate tripe.

[cmonstanley]

let me explain,you have one hundred pounds for your daily shop.what do you do ? send a middle man who you dont trust to go to the furthest away supermarket so he can pay more for a taxi .simples

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Kids go to school hungry while their parents lie in bed after a night on the booze.......yes, you see them at the school gates in the afternoon smoking a fag......and talking about their latest aquisition of games console, TV etcetera.

There is less in the benefits pot, because more people who should not be claiming benefits, are claiming them....people who land on our shores from a foreign country, to be given housing clothing and full access to benefits.
They then live frugally and send the money back to their homeland where it benefits, not our economy, but theirs.

It will get worse from 2014 when Croatians will be allowed free let into this country, and access to the benfits system from the day they land......they are making plans in their millions to come here purely for money to live off my pension(my taxes will be used to fund these people).

You never once criticised the Labour government for their porous border control, this was a ploy to get more people they thought would vote for them, into the country...they failed to recognise(or maybe they thought somebody else would have the problem of sorting it out) the problems that such a great influx of low skilled and unskilled people coming into the country, would have on the infrastructure of our towns and cities. On Housing, on Health services, on schools, transport.

The only people who should be allowed into this country are those with skills we need.......and like in Australia, if they do not have the means to survive withou government help for a period of two years, then they too, should be banned from entry.

Labour governments also built a culture of welfare dependent families...again in the hope that these would vote for Labour candidates(well, they would wouldn't they - who wants benefits stopping ?). For some families a life on benefits is a lifestyle choice.
I am not saying that some benefit claimants aren't genuine, but that there are many who are not.

You won't hear a word of this against your beloved Labour party...who I suppose you consider to be 'socialist'....but they haven't been socialist for a damn long time.....unless of course, you consider Champagne socialism, true socialism.

twaddle lol you must watch sky news and believe the right wing media .

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

let me explain,you have one hundred pounds for your daily shop.what do you do ? send a middle man who you dont trust to go to the furthest away supermarket so he can pay more for a taxi .simples

I agreed with one of your posts, gave what I thought was a reasoned argument and your very next post is this?? No wonder the labour party is in the doldrums, it's apparently populated by people with less logical thought than the average amoeba.

[Margaret Pilkington]

In your last post 2198, I note that you make no mention of the criticisms levelled at you.
You choose to ignore them.
As for the comment about me watching sky news and reading right wing newspapers(what has that got to do with anything?).......I read a wide variety of newspapers, this enables me to have a balanced view of what is going on in this country....and I watch Sky news, along with other news broadcasts, with the same end in view...to achieve a perspective of the news.
I have eyes that let me see what is going on around me in my own locality, I have ears that allow me to listen to a variety of thoughts an opinions of people around me.......the common people, the people who elect MP's.
I have a brain which allows me independent thought and logical conclusions.
I do not mulishly(and perhaps foolishly) follow the dogma of one political party.

I can put a post together which makes sense and is relatively easy to read.

If all that is a crime then I am guilty.

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

If all that is a crime then I am guilty.

Pleading guilty will not alleviate your sentence.

For your crimes you are hereby remanded to remain amongst the majority of the common sense party being governed by the minority of <insert appropriate political party> who will lie, cheat, steal and commit other heinous crimes which will be protected by parliamentary priviledge and receive a wondrous pension which you will pay for from exorbitant taxes on your fuel, food and lifes other little luxuries.

And may God have mercy on your soul!

[Margaret Pilkington]

Oh, that's a real blow...I thought if you pled guilty it meant a lighter sentence.
(bleedin' lousy British justice)
Are you sure I can't be sentenced to be transported to the other side of the world?
I'll even steal a loaf of bread if it will make a difference.

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Oh, that's a real blow...I thought if you pled guilty it meant a lighter sentence.
(bleedin' lousy British justice)
Are you sure I can't be sentenced to be transported to the other side of the world?
I'll even steal a loaf of bread if it will make a difference.

Be thankful for small mercies!


As a political prisoner you're restricted to the common sense wing, which means you are segregated from those in the nutjob Labour wing.
Stealing a loaf of bread is a food crime and would place you amidst those who deep fry mars bars.....think long and hard 'Ms Criminal'...transportation to the colonies and a life spent with an incoherent, mentally challenged labour fanatic, or a few years on a chain gang breaking rocks with a toffee hammer and glueing them back together with a flour and water paste?


Still wanna change your plea girl???

[Margaret Pilkington]

No...sirree...I'll stick with the toffee hammer(no pun intended - well it was only half a pun really )

[Lucysgirl]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Kids go to school hungry while their parents lie in bed after a night on the booze.......yes, you see them at the school gates in the afternoon smoking a fag......and talking about their latest aquisition of games console, TV etcetera.

There is less in the benefits pot, because more people who should not be claiming benefits, are claiming them....people who land on our shores from a foreign country, to be given housing clothing and full access to benefits.
They then live frugally and send the money back to their homeland where it benefits, not our economy, but theirs.

It will get worse from 2014 when Croatians will be allowed free let into this country, and access to the benfits system from the day they land......they are making plans in their millions to come here purely for money to live off my pension(my taxes will be used to fund these people).

You never once criticised the Labour government for their porous border control, this was a ploy to get more people they thought would vote for them, into the country...they failed to recognise(or maybe they thought somebody else would have the problem of sorting it out) the problems that such a great influx of low skilled and unskilled people coming into the country, would have on the infrastructure of our towns and cities. On Housing, on Health services, on schools, transport.

The only people who should be allowed into this country are those with skills we need.......and like in Australia, if they do not have the means to survive withou government help for a period of two years, then they too, should be banned from entry.

Labour governments also built a culture of welfare dependent families...again in the hope that these would vote for Labour candidates(well, they would wouldn't they - who wants benefits stopping ?). For some families a life on benefits is a lifestyle choice.
I am not saying that some benefit claimants aren't genuine, but that there are many who are not.

You won't hear a word of this against your beloved Labour party...who I suppose you consider to be 'socialist'....but they haven't been socialist for a damn long time.....unless of course, you consider Champagne socialism, true socialism.

Germany had a programme somewhat similar to that when they needed to rebuild their land after WWII. Germany were always fond of documentation in triplicate and historically immigrants were required to have permission to work in the country, once they had that permission they were then aloud to reside in the country. If they became unemployed they were allowed to reside in the country for six months thereafter but if they didn't find further work within the time limit their right to stay was withdrawn. Children born in Germany of immigrant parents did not automatically become German citizens.
I think it was early in the Blair/Brown years when Germany was suffering a turn down in trade they tried to implement their law of repatriating workers back to their land of origin. By then most of the immigrants' children were in their 40s and hadn't known any other life excepting life in Germany. Several mass marches later and several EU talks later, the EU introduced a clause in a Treaty which overturned Germany's right to decide who could be a citizen of its own country.