The Tories

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Mancie

I'll say it again you are wasting your time and energy on here
No matter what this disaster of a government get up to there will be the usual mob ready to defend them or simply blame the last lot .. I mean come on we have a German Dave.

From said German Dave Mancie, once more you enter the foray at a disadvantage my friend. If your compatriot North of the Border came on ready to debate (& not mass debate as usual Damn spell check) then I & others would willingly partake in a balanced & reasonable discussion, but blind vitriol & point scoring against all things Tory isn't worth the effort !

I have stated elsewhere in other threads that I don't agree, with some of the measures the present Coalition Government are doing, despite that to all intents & purposes it's being run by "The Damned Tories" ! But Your cherished Labour wouldn't have been any better as they too would've had to share the platform with the Lib-dems for them to seriously have had any chance of continued tenure in office. But as MC Broon was in charge there was no chance.

Surely then If they'd have been the good Socialists you espouse them to be, quite simply for the good of the people & benefit & equality for all (the basic ground tenet of Socialism) McBroon & those associated with his despotic reign would've stepped aside for the benefit of all ? Er, I didn't see that happening ! In fact quite the opposite transpired it was more akin to the Roman senate of 44 BC ! Et tu, Brute ?

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Totally agree Margaret, my last post too,

Post 211

Originally Posted by jaysay

BBC News - Labour lost touch with public and members - Ed Miliband
Thought I'd just do a cmonstanley

Post 221

A U-turn ??? Happy now C'mon & Mancie, a true Tory & no doubts an emulation of number 10 perhaps ? What's that phrase again ? ...... Ah yes, after a period of consultation !

Sorry Jay, couldn't resist Mate ! But before the Trotsky twins start to gloat have a read of this, from the Grauniad of all Dailies ! :-

U-turns are David Cameron's strength ? and may win him an election | Matt Grist | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

[garinda]

I just assumed the Peoples' Nancie, and cumonEileen, are Tory activists.

Planted here to bore every potential voter into submission, and vow never to vote Labour again.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Post 211

Post 221

Ooh a U-Turn ??? Happy now C'mon & Mancie, a true Tory & no doubts an emulation of number 10 perhaps ? What's that phrase againn ? ...... Ah yes, after a period of consultation !

Sorry Jay, couldn't resist Mate ! But before the Trotsky twins start to gloat have a read of this :-

U-turns are David Cameron's strength ? and may win him an election | Matt Grist | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

I know its a good post Dave, but its not that good you had to post it twice

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I know its a good post Dave, but its not that good you had to post it twice

I know & I reported myself to get one removed, seems our usually eagle eyed wiper outer team are having an extended tea break ! But I'm sure they'll be along presently.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

I just assumed the Peoples' Nancie, and cumonEileen, are Tory activists.

Planted here to bore every potential voter into submission, and vow never to vote Labour again.

Whoops.

Blinkin' edit button!

That should read Mancie and cmonstanley.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Whoops.

Blinkin' edit button!

That should read Mancie and cmonstanley.

The first description is quite acceptable G

[cmonstanley]

you wouldnt be so cocky if you had to work till your 68 like the rest of us .yes make the working class work till they drop .our friends the banks and our mates making millions were alright jack make the peasants work till they drop dead so we dont need to pay any pensions tory scum

[cashman]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

you wouldnt be so cocky if you had to work till your 68 like the rest of us .yes make the working class work till they drop .our friends the banks and our mates making millions were alright jack make the peasants work till they drop dead so we dont need to pay any pensions tory scum

nowt to do wi the torys, pension funds etc have been creaming off/taking pension holidays etc fer donkeys years, i agree its a crap state of affairs, but all these pension funds had trustees, some were even from the shopfloor, i could see the way things were going 20 yrs ago, so i took mine in 98, when i was 50, i know folk now in the same fund that have contacted the ombudsman cos the fund has been creamed off since, its a disgrace whats gone on, but pointless blaming the present lot, "All" have turned a blind eye to whats gone on fer many years. its exactly the same scenario wi goverment pension schemes.

[Benipete]

Originally Posted by cashman

nowt to do wi the torys, pension funds etc have been creaming off/taking pension holidays etc fer donkeys years, i agree its a crap state of affairs, but all these pension funds had trustees, some were even from the shopfloor, i could see the way things were going 20 yrs ago, so i took mine in 98, when i was 50, i know folk now in the same fund that have contacted the ombudsman cos the fund has been creamed off since, its a disgrace whats gone on, but pointless blaming the present lot, "All" have turned a blind eye to whats gone on fer many years. its exactly the same scenario wi goverment pension schemes.

Tha Reet there Cashy,Where there's money there's muck.Don't matter what colour tie they're wearing.

They're having It.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

yes make the working class work till they drop

You see yourself as such do you ? I read an interesting article in todays Independent on this very topic. I've included it below so if you have the inclination & aptitude you can take a browse through, you my find it a bit heavy going as it doesn't exalt your party of choice but then again it's people like yourself (labour supporters & unionists) who are making these damming statements about the supposed champions of the working class. So who exactly should you be railing against ? Looking at the facts some of your beliefs sure aren't going to be pretty.

Threatened, isolated, under siege: the UK's working class today - Home News, UK - The Independent

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

you wouldnt be so cocky if you had to work till your 68 like the rest of us .yes make the working class work till they drop .our friends the banks and our mates making millions were alright jack make the peasants work till they drop dead so we dont need to pay any pensions tory scum

Yes, I'm quite sure this is subversive Tory propoganda at work.

Originally Posted by garinda

I just assumed the Peoples' Nancie, and cumonEileen, are Tory activists.

Planted here to bore every potential voter into submission, and vow never to vote Labour again.

Where do I hand in my Chairman Mao's Little Red Book, and sign up?

[garinda]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

you wouldnt be so cocky if you had to work till your 68 like the rest of us .yes make the working class work till they drop .our friends the banks and our mates making millions were alright jack make the peasants work till they drop dead so we dont need to pay any pensions tory scum

Who were you referring to, since you posted 'you', but didn't quote anyone?

Jaysay, since you posted directly after him?

Is this the caring face of the political left?

Castigating his ability to work, because he can't, through serious ill health?

Whilst 'you' have to work until sixty eight.

Unless you have a crystal ball, count your blessings if you're still here at sixty eight, and able to work. No one knows what's around the corner in this life.

A true socialist, of which you're not one, would happily work, if they were fit and able, in order to provide for those in genuine need, who could no longer earn a living because of illness.

Like I said, your measly, whingingly selfish attitude has more in common with Thatcherism, than it has to the ideals of true socialism.

Self-pitying, as well as boring in the extreme.

Well done.

[cmonstanley]

no matter how you twist i havent mentioned labour,and if people are still trying to blame the last goverment how come 50% of tory policy has been u turned and ttheyve sent more than a billion pound abroad

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

no matter how you twist i havent mentioned labour,and if people are still trying to blame the last goverment how come 50% of tory policy has been u turned and ttheyve sent more than a billion pound abroad

Do see below

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

U-turns are David Cameron's strength ? and may win him an election | Matt Grist | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Above taken from post 227

And again ! You're bleating on about not mentioning Labour can you please try & be a little more, precise, concise, definitive as to the point you're trying to make ! Then maybe we can give you a straight answer/reply.