The Tories

[Eric]

Originally Posted by jaysay

I give up forget it you obvious think the status quo is fine carry on I won't be around long enough to bother about it

In case you didn't notice, the status quo changed a couple of days ago .... it's now a little leaner, and a helluva lot meaner.

[Eric]

I've been thinking that if the tories want to raise the big bucks, in order to eliminate the deficit and pay down the debt, it might be a good idea to go after those who are avoiding tax. A novel idea, I know. And I suspect that not too many of the avoiders will define themselves as socialists

By the way, I noticed this in the "Guardian" (sorry Jaysay, I only look at the "Mail" for the pics):

Barclays tax avoidance division generated £1bn a year ? Salz review | Business | guardian.co.uk

And this one made the main headline:

Identities of the rich who hide cash offshore | UK news | The Guardian

The sh .... oops ... feces is already hitting the swiftly spinning object over here:

Senator's husband put $1.7M in offshore tax havens - Canada - CBC News


Ah well, enough links ... I have more Bomber in the fridge

[cashman]

Ah but they turn a blind eye to these, much better to go after lazy scroungers. n many knobs agree.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Cashy....many of the tax avoidance schemes are legal.......and though I do not agree with it, you cannot blame firms who rely on these schemes to boost their profits.
After all businesses are in the game to make money. So the answer is simple...close the schemes down, close the loopholes that allow these companies to use them.

It is the tax system(I know Eric won't like me using that term) that is at fault for allowing the loopholes to remain.
Likewise, the benefits system allows people to get away with cheating....so tackle the problem and make those who are claiming benefits, to which they are not entitled, pay every penny back.

If this was done then there would be more in the pot for those who need the support of benefits.

It isn't rocket science....is it?

[cashman]

Nah it aint rocket science, these firms control the top politicians,by funding the parties, so therefore they do control the tax system. so these loopholes will remain always.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

You won't give up, you will wait a few days then start all over again, yet you will still be blaming the wrong people.

I'm not blaming the wrong people its you who's placating the people who are thieving from the tax payer, end of

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Cashy....many of the tax avoidance schemes are legal.......and though I do not agree with it, you cannot blame firms who rely on these schemes to boost their profits.
After all businesses are in the game to make money. So the answer is simple...close the schemes down, close the loopholes that allow these companies to use them.

It is the tax system(I know Eric won't like me using that term) that is at fault for allowing the loopholes to remain.
Likewise, the benefits system allows people to get away with cheating....so tackle the problem and make those who are claiming benefits, to which they are not entitled, pay every penny back.

If this was done then there would be more in the pot for those who need the support of benefits.

It isn't rocket science....is it?

Two cases Margaret one legal one illegal, I don't remember the previous government, even though they knew about these loopholes, doing anything at all to close them, nor did they do anything to weed out benefit cheats either

[Neil]

Originally Posted by cashman

Not racist at all Neil, MargaretP sums it up fer me perfectly. Having lived abroad i know how foreigners have to fit in n rightfully so, it never bothered us in the slightest, is it so wrong to want the same treatment here?

I agree we make it to easy for people to come here and take from the system without giving.

What is not so easy and you didn't manage it, is to come up with a set of rules for giving benefits to people that works. The government are saying 9 out of 10 will be better off after the changes (not that I believe them). All we hear about is the other 1 in 10.

[cmonstanley]

ids and the tories stooping so low attacking ,discrediting a hard working market stall worker just because he asked him a question.now the tories are claiming the bbc is biased .Tory MP complains to the BBC about market trader who challenged IDS on benefits - Telegraph WARNING WARNING usual tory bias in this story.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

ids and the tories stooping so low attacking ,discrediting a hard working market stall worker just because he asked him a question.now the tories are claiming the bbc is biased .Tory MP complains to the BBC about market trader who challenged IDS on benefits - Telegraph WARNING WARNING usual tory bias in this story.

Your a bit late, it was in the papers a few days ago

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

ids and the tories stooping so low attacking ,discrediting a hard working market stall worker just because he asked him a question.now the tories are claiming the bbc is biased .Tory MP complains to the BBC about market trader who challenged IDS on benefits - Telegraph WARNING WARNING usual tory bias in this story.

Oh come on C'mon the BBC have always been further to the left than Lenin, its a standing joke "as impartial as a Question Time audience"

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

I agree we make it to easy for people to come here and take from the system without giving.

What is not so easy and you didn't manage it, is to come up with a set of rules for giving benefits to people that works. The government are saying 9 out of 10 will be better off after the changes (not that I believe them). All we hear about is the other 1 in 10.

Only this morning the headlines on one of the papers was about NHS tourist, coming here getting treat and still being in a wheelchair when they go home on the plane, this was raised by surgeons who know we are being ripped off

[cmonstanley]

chris patten is in there pulling the strings.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Only this morning the headlines on one of the papers was about NHS tourist, coming here getting treat and still being in a wheelchair when they go home on the plane, this was raised by surgeons who know we are being ripped off

Of course this is bad, but no-one raises ALL the genuine people that are removed from benefits to make the figures look good, n all the fools jump on things like this. Sensationalist press the dummys fall fer it every time.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

chris patten is in there pulling the strings.

Just like labours place men