The Tories

[Boeing Guy]

Okay so Ed gets in, he dumps HS2 (which is too little too late, should have been done back in the 1990's), he pours the money into the country and encourages industry, things which are not really typical Labour territory, Tax Breaks, reducing Income Tax including the Higher Rate to encourage people to achieve more and encourage investment in British manufacturing.
To assist the working man/woman he increases the Minimum Wage (Which is far too low) to a more sustainable amount, say £10.00 per hour.

Would this encourage a return to textile mills? Well seeing Primark is full of people happily buying clothes that cost a few pounds I cannot see it myself.


Okay so lets make consumer electronics, same problem.

You see we are still a exporter of goods from the UK, but we have had to move into highly skilled and advanced areas, things that are fairly simple to make are already being made in the third world for a fraction of the cost.
Will the general public buy British made goods because they are British or will they vote with their purses, after all the goods will cost more because of labor costs.

You could say well look at Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Jaguar, Land Rover, Mini, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Vauxhall Motors, the UK motor industry is alive and well, thanks to major foreign investment.
We are still world leaders in Aerospace, Pharmaceuticals, High End Engineering to name but three.

The world is changing and we must change with it to keep ahead in the world.
this is something none of the parties offer.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Boeing Guy

Okay so Ed gets in, he dumps HS2 (which is too little too late, should have been done back in the 1990's), he pours the money into the country and encourages industry, things which are not really typical Labour territory, Tax Breaks, reducing Income Tax including the Higher Rate to encourage people to achieve more and encourage investment in British manufacturing.
To assist the working man/woman he increases the Minimum Wage (Which is far too low) to a more sustainable amount, say £10.00 per hour.

Would this encourage a return to textile mills? Well seeing Primark is full of people happily buying clothes that cost a few pounds I cannot see it myself.


Okay so lets make consumer electronics, same problem.

You see we are still a exporter of goods from the UK, but we have had to move into highly skilled and advanced areas, things that are fairly simple to make are already being made in the third world for a fraction of the cost.
Will the general public buy British made goods because they are British or will they vote with their purses, after all the goods will cost more because of labor costs.

You could say well look at Nissan, Honda, Toyota, Jaguar, Land Rover, Mini, Rolls Royce, Bentley, Vauxhall Motors, the UK motor industry is alive and well, thanks to major foreign investment.
We are still world leaders in Aerospace, Pharmaceuticals, High End Engineering to name but three.

The world is changing and we must change with it to keep ahead in the world.
this is something none of the parties offer.

Well said BG.
So we just look down at our shoes, shuffle about a bit and do nothing?
We desparately need investment in housing, airport capacity and digital infrastructure. as foundations to any change.
Ed's making all the right moves here.

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

Ed's making all the right moves here.

No he isn't! He's making all the right noises.
That's easy to do when you're in opposition and can't actually do anything.

If he gets in power, it'll be 'Ah, well the ConDems left such a mess we can't do it'.
Or he'll borrow even more money for our grandchildren to pay back.

No we don't shuffle about and do nothing. BG is right! We need to reinvigorate manufacturing for export, let banking for export move over, they nearly broke us.
Otherwise the only way we can invest in housing, airport capacity and digital infrastructure is by borrowing more money (and don't forget we're already broke).

[DAV007]

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

in your mind only I want whats best for the future of the country , a united kingdom with decent values for our children to grow up in, I want there to be sustainable jobs so our children can get fair mortgages to buy houses at fair prices and have pride in owning their own homes, the only way we can achieve this is to start making items or give support to people in this country to start businesses not support to foreign multinational hedge fund tax dodging soul destroying corner cutting so called companies. to retake the great british companies that were stolen by the tories and blairites they should be done for treason as they weren't theirs to sell.

And you think you'd get this with a labour government lead by Mr Ed, Every time in their history when Labour have been kicked out of office the economy was in total disarray, they couldn't run a pee up at Thwaites brewery, as for national British industry, pray tell why, whilst in power for 13 years, did labour not renationalise these industries, maybe its only knuckle heads like you who think its a good idea, even the talking horse does'nt think that's a good idea

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

Well said BG.
So we just look down at our shoes, shuffle about a bit and do nothing?
We desparately need investment in housing, airport capacity and digital infrastructure. as foundations to any change.
Ed's making all the right moves here.

If that's the cast why didn't Tony and Gordon do it, after all Gordon did sell of the gold reserves, but nobody can say where it went, except down the drain like most of the money he filched while Chancellor, Labour always seem to have all the answers in opposition, but very few when in power

[Less]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

in your mind only I want whats best for the future of the country , a united kingdom with decent values for our children to grow up in, I want there to be sustainable jobs so our children can get fair mortgages to buy houses at fair prices and have pride in owning their own homes, the only way we can achieve this is to start making items or give support to people in this country to start businesses not support to foreign multinational hedge fund tax dodging soul destroying corner cutting so called companies. to retake the great british companies that were stolen by the tories and blairites they should be done for treason as they weren't theirs to sell.

Originally Posted by jaysay

And you think you'd get this with a labour government lead by Mr Ed, Every time in their history when Labour have been kicked out of office the economy was in total disarray, they couldn't run a pee up at Thwaites brewery, as for national British industry, pray tell why, whilst in power for 13 years, did labour not renationalise these industries, maybe its only knuckle heads like you who think its a good idea, even the talking horse does'nt think that's a good idea

I don't think a Labour Government will, but then, neither I or you think a Conservative Government will.

After all, if you even thought there was even the slightest chance that the Conservatives could deliver the goods, you would never have joined Ukip.

Perhaps it's time both you and C'mon posted something of value to the rest of the Country instead of arguing back and forth?

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

I don't think a Labour Government will, but then, neither I or you think a Conservative Government will.

After all, if you even thought there was even the slightest chance that the Conservatives could deliver the goods, you would never have joined Ukip.

Perhaps it's time both you and C'mon posted something of value to the rest of the Country instead of arguing back and forth?

Sod off Less your not taking all my fun away

[DAV007]

[cmonstanley]

borrowing Gordon brown £250 billion tony blair £150 billion david Cameron £700 billion...

[cmonstanley]

you know it makes sense

[Boeing Guy]

On BBC Breakfast this morning there was discussion regarding Cancer Drugs that are deemed by NICE to be too expensive. The Government has kept funding in place to allow these to be dispensed to Cancer Sufferers. Tellingly in Wales where your prescription is free the Labour party, who have control there, thanks to devolution, are not providing funding, which leads to people renting houses in England so they can get the drugs.
Bad old torys.......

[Neil]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

Well said BG.
So we just look down at our shoes, shuffle about a bit and do nothing?
We desparately need investment in housing, airport capacity and digital infrastructure. as foundations to any change.
Ed's making all the right moves here.

What digital infrastructure needs investment?

[Lucysgirl]

I'm not blind or daft and I recognise that British shoppers were part of the cause of the eventual downfall of British industries in the latter part of the 20th century.

The question now is that whilst we have plugged the hole whereby non EU citizens were able to come here for low paid jobs, there is still a torrent of Europeans arriving here having already secured British jobs including low paid ones, such as advertised on the EU site:

Wanted: Coffee Shop Assistant ; Senior Supervisor - Subway ; Kitchen Assistant ;
https://ec.europa.eu/eures/main.jsp?...ntCategory=482

Here's the home page for job seekers:-
https://ec.europa.eu/eures/home.jsp?lang=en

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

you know it makes sense

If Ed lives till he's 90 he'll never make any sense, except nonsense that is, can you imagine the two Eds running this country, blows a hole in the wall two Eds are better than, question would you by a car of ED Balls? No me neither.