The Tories - Page 223

cmonstanley · 30-09-2013, 21:34

how are they going to find a job if they are doing this

looks like the tories have given up

or another cover up how the work programme failed yes that's another 10 billion wasted on another tory failure

cmonstanley · 30-09-2013, 21:47

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Originally Posted by DAV007

Again,
your statement is incorrect.

He was not man handled, they where asked to stop disturbing the defence secretary's speech and wait until the end to ask questions.

They didn't ask any questions, they just had a shouting rant.

Please report FACTS.

guy in blue suit pulled him out that's why the camera turned

watched it live on parliament channel

DAV007 · 30-09-2013, 22:00

he didn't pull him out,
he should have pulled him out as they where told to stop heckling, that's what happens to hecklers you only get so much rope before you hang yourself and get thrown out.

DAV007 · 30-09-2013, 22:02

People on long term dole asked to work for their money and learn the skills and dedication it takes to have a normal job - what is the problem?

Its one off the few tory policies I agree with.

Alan Varrechia · 30-09-2013, 22:06

If there is work out there then give them a living wage for doing it. All they want to do is make a lot more people disapear off the unemployed register so it makes them look good.

cmonstanley · 30-09-2013, 22:11

it only affects 200,000 people supposedly , so who are the millions of scroungers that have been benefit dependant. something doesn't add up here

its like a jigsaw so what is the official figure of people not working

cashman · 30-09-2013, 22:16

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Originally Posted by Alan Varrechia

If there is work out there then give them a living wage for doing it. All they want to do is make a lot more people disapear off the unemployed register so it makes them look good.

That is perfectly true, many now are working on ZERO hours contracts, which is as much use as tits on a fella, in fact one in our house has been on a 1 shift a week contract fer 2 yrs now,very difficult to get anything else to supplement it cos never know what day or days yer working from 1 week to the next. But the suckers think this is a good policy? Mentality beats the crap outa me.

cmonstanley · 01-10-2013, 04:15

the visit to the jobcentre every day lol

they've closed half of them and sacked most of the staff. so thatll be another billion for the companies who have committed fraud

Less · 01-10-2013, 13:36

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Originally Posted by DAV007

People on long term dole asked to work for their money and learn the skills and dedication it takes to have a normal job - what is the problem?

Its one off the few tory policies I agree with.

If we need more street cleaners surely it would be proper to give the Councils grants so they can offer full time permanent employment?

If they go ahead and force people to become 'Dole Slaves', this will have added expense.

If you are sent to your local depot, they will be obliged to kit you out with all the safety gear and safety training. Even if you are there for a day a week or a month.
This will of course have to be repeated every time some-one is started and because of Health and Hygiene they can't be expected to wear cast off boots etc that have been worn by someone else.

The majority of unemployed are not in this position from choice, no-one in their right mind wants to be unemployed.

What is needed is a Government dedicated to kick starting industry so that genuine jobs can be created, giving people pride in a worthwhile job that they will be proud to do well.

There are too many I'm alright Jacks that think everyone that is unemployed is a scrounger and deserves to be treated unjustly.

DtheP47 · 01-10-2013, 15:19

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Originally Posted by Less

The majority of unemployed are not in this position from choice, no-one in their right mind wants to be unemployed.

What is needed is a Government dedicated to kick starting industry so that genuine jobs can be created, giving people pride in a worthwhile job that they will be proud to do well.

There are too many I'm alright Jacks that think everyone that is unemployed is a scrounger and deserves to be treated unjustly.

Since it was launched in June 2011, 1.3m people have started on the Work Programme. Of those, 168,000 have gone into jobs for long enough - a fairly modest three months or six months, depending on their circumstances - to trigger "outcome" payments to the private sector agencies delivering the scheme. Even discounting those who only began the programme recently, the Government's claimed success rate of 15% leaves mucho to be desired. On that evidence, it is difficult to see how Help to Work will help or, indeed, work.
Norfolk in Chance Less.

DAV007 · 01-10-2013, 20:22

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Originally Posted by Less

If we need more street cleaners surely it would be proper to give the Councils grants so they can offer full time permanent employment?

If they go ahead and force people to become 'Dole Slaves', this will have added expense.

If you are sent to your local depot, they will be obliged to kit you out with all the safety gear and safety training. Even if you are there for a day a week or a month.
This will of course have to be repeated every time some-one is started and because of Health and Hygiene they can't be expected to wear cast off boots etc that have been worn by someone else.

The majority of unemployed are not in this position from choice, no-one in their right mind wants to be unemployed.

What is needed is a Government dedicated to kick starting industry so that genuine jobs can be created, giving people pride in a worthwhile job that they will be proud to do well.

There are too many I'm alright Jacks that think everyone that is unemployed is a scrounger and deserves to be treated unjustly.

All very true.
But it will also prevent any such person from working and signing on.

cmonstanley · 01-10-2013, 20:49

your not saying there are scrupulous companies who don't pay cash and don't pay tax

lol ian Duncan dafty announced today that they would be going into jobcentres to attend classes lol 1. they are going to have to pay for their travel fares 2. they got rid of 200,000 jobcentre staff 3.the work programme private companies have already been paid to do this. is this ids admitting the work programme failed ? lol

Less · 01-10-2013, 21:12

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Originally Posted by DAV007

All very true.
But it will also prevent any such person from working and signing on.

What a load of prejudiced tripe!
Once again not being able to get your head around the fact that the majority of the unemployed are as honest as everyone else.
You are convicting without a trial as if to say all unemployed are dishonest rather than considering how lucky you are not to be in that position yourself, shame on you.

Neil · 01-10-2013, 21:18

There are also a lot of dishonest employed people

Less · 01-10-2013, 21:26

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Originally Posted by Neil

There are also a lot of dishonest employed people

Indeed, a person should wonder what, if anything happens to the people that do employ claimants that are caught working for cash in hand?
Surely they should be treated as harshly, for their complicity in the dishonest action?