The Tories

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Less

Indeed, a person should wonder what, if anything happens to the people that do employ claimants that are caught working for cash in hand?
Surely they should be treated as harshly, for their complicity in the dishonest action?

I think you're right. A company is breaking the law for employing people not entitled to work in this country so why are they not breaking the law employing people who should be working?

[DAV007]

Originally Posted by Less

What a load of prejudiced tripe!
Once again not being able to get your head around the fact that the majority of the unemployed are as honest as everyone else.
You are convicting without a trial as if to say all unemployed are dishonest rather than considering how lucky you are not to be in that position yourself, shame on you.

I didn't say they where not.
But some do, I know this first hand.

[Less]

Originally Posted by DAV007

I didn't say they where not.
But some do, I know this first hand.

So yippee for you, did you report them?

If not, aren't you as guilty by ignoring the problem?

Without the people willing to cheat the rest of us by paying cash in hand, how could the claimants, be tempted in the first place?

Folk that fiddle their taxes, tempting people on the dole, are they not worse?

Yes, someone fiddling their dole is wrong, deserves to be prosecuted, but why does it seem that the guy employing isn't prosecuted, he is saving by not paying all that he should for a legal worker.

Stop the person from employing, make him responsible, all of a sudden he will pay for his workers in the correct manner, Hey, suddenly we have honest workers and bosses.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by Less

all of a sudden he will pay for his workers in the correct manner, Hey, suddenly we have honest workers and bosses.

Meanwhile Satan was allegedly seen at Aldi looking for a Winter jacket!

[Less]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Meanwhile Satan was allegedly seen at Aldi looking for a Winter jacket!

Wrong again, I sold him my winter coat so that I could buy a hi vis, did me no good, I reckon he grassed me up to the dole investigators.

[cmonstanley]

the tories the party that lowers your standard of living their smear campaign on ed millibands dad didn't go far especially when the owners granddad was a Nazi sympathiser . William hague was aske if this was right to try and smear a dead man he said it was upto milliband and the daily mail to sort it out. the owner of the daily mail is one of david camerons personal friends

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the tories the party that lowers your standard of living their smear campaign on ed millibands dad didn't go far especially when the owners granddad was a Nazi sympathiser . William hague was aske if this was right to try and smear a dead man he said it was upto milliband and the daily mail to sort it out. the owner of the daily mail is one of david camerons personal friends

Well at least he has some friends

[Less]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the tories the party that lowers your standard of living their smear campaign on ed millibands dad didn't go far especially when the owners granddad was a Nazi sympathiser . William hague was aske if this was right to try and smear a dead man he said it was upto milliband and the daily mail to sort it out. the owner of the daily mail is one of david camerons personal friends

Originally Posted by jaysay

Well at least he has some friends

My God, both of you don't half talk bollux!

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the tories the party that lowers your standard of living their smear campaign on ed millibands dad didn't go far especially when the owners granddad was a Nazi sympathiser . William hague was aske if this was right to try and smear a dead man he said it was upto milliband and the daily mail to sort it out. the owner of the daily mail is one of david camerons personal friends

Gotta say it was just a tad distasteful the Mail using a pic of Millibands dad's grave in their online article but whenever has the Mail been an upholder of good taste?


The Guardian also draws attention to the Mail's own "potentially treacherous" stance in years gone by.
"By delving back into the fight against fascism, the Mail inevitably invites consideration of its own record in the 1930s and 40s.
"The first Viscount Rothermere supported Mosley and the Blackshirts in the early 1930s. Later the paper favoured appeasement and tried to subvert the constitution in Edward VIII's favour during the abdication crisis.
"The 1930s were uncertain and difficult times and hard judgment calls were made. It is only with hindsight that it is clear how wrong, even - looking back - how potentially treacherous some of them were."

Alaister Cameron's rant at John Staefel is a cracker too. "Not bad for a Burnley supporter ! "

[DAV007]

Originally Posted by Less

So yippee for you, did you report them?

If not, aren't you as guilty by ignoring the problem?

Without the people willing to cheat the rest of us by paying cash in hand, how could the claimants, be tempted in the first place?

Folk that fiddle their taxes, tempting people on the dole, are they not worse?

Yes, someone fiddling their dole is wrong, deserves to be prosecuted, but why does it seem that the guy employing isn't prosecuted, he is saving by not paying all that he should for a legal worker.

Stop the person from employing, make him responsible, all of a sudden he will pay for his workers in the correct manner, Hey, suddenly we have honest workers and bosses.

I liked your previous post which made the same point and I agree with you 100%

We have laws that punish the employer when they employ illegal migrants or foreigners without visa's AND we should do the same to employers who employ people claiming job seekers allowance

[DAV007]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the tories the party that lowers your standard of living their smear campaign on ed millibands dad didn't go far especially when the owners granddad was a Nazi sympathiser . William hague was aske if this was right to try and smear a dead man he said it was upto milliband and the daily mail to sort it out. the owner of the daily mail is one of david camerons personal friends

piers morgan was one of tony blairs friends.
he was editor when the daily mirror published fake photos of Iraqi prisoner abuse.
The same pictures which where used by every hot head in the middle east to justify attacking british troops.
The same photos which set a crowd off and lead to the death of british troops.


All press are evil, both left and right.
not everything in life is black and white.

[Margaret Pilkington]

When will you all start to realise that they are all the same?
None of them have your(the man in the street) best interests at heart...they only care about how they can make a fast buck at our expense...and how they can save their hides when the brown stuff hits the fan.

The press are in cahoots with politicians of one shade or another, so they can't really be trusted to lie straight in bed.

[cmonstanley]

i was never a blairite he took the third way down the wrong avenue. he helped bring mandelson the traitor into the fold, but he did promise a better standard of living and delivered. people forget what it was like before 1997 3 million unemployed infrastructure in disarray as they took the words investing in roads not subsidising the railways people working for 2 pound an hour etc. just been listening to david camerons speech it doesn't make sense ? where are a million training places going to appear from he was just making it up as he went along ha ha

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

When will you all start to realise that they are all the same?
None of them have your(the man in the street) best interests at heart...they only care about how they can make a fast buck at our expense...and how they can save their hides when the brown stuff hits the fan.

The press are in cahoots with politicians of one shade or another, so they can't really be trusted to lie straight in bed.

Yup, nothing but soundbites and populist slogans from both Cameron and Milliband. 'We can do better', 'earning or learning'.....who writes this crud, the editor of the Beano???

So if they make under 25's go to the job centre or a learning centre from 9-5

a) Where will they get the people to educate them?
b) How much will they pay these educators?
c) Will there be any significant saving when you remove the cost of the educators from the dole being paid?
d) Are there job centres or learning centres big enough to take ALL the under 25's?
e) Just what will they educate them to do? Write CV's, use google to search job sites?

There are already training centres out there looking to give apprenticeships for kids, unfortunately the kids are required to actually get employment before they can offer them the apprenticeships, the training centres do the theory, the employers do the practical.....the jobs are simply not there. Government schemes offering cash to employers, setting wages for apprentices at £2.65 an hour (incidentally thats 90 hours work to pay for a belt like Camerons wife wore today) and STILL these kids cannot get these jobs. Why? Because they don't bloody well exist anymore, thanks to thatcherism.

These damn tories detroyed the infrastructure of the northwest blaming an unreasonable workforce as a reason for doing it (not unreasonable demands from employers mind you), then they blamed the people they threw on the scraphead for the failure of the economy of the country (not the rich bankers), and now they are blaming their kids and threatening to take away the pittance they get whilst trying to eke out a life (all the time condoning tax loopholes for the wealthy, jobs for the boys with nonsense like crime comissioners and continuing membership of Europe allowing foreign workers to take what few jobs there are).

They've attacked the sick, the disabled, the old and the single parents. They've forced people out of their family homes. They have damn well killed people with their policies!

None of the parties are offering anything REAL for the people, it's all promises, soundbites, rhetoric and opposition bashing. The man in the street has become an underclass ruled by politicians, the very people who are supposed to speak up for us are speaking down at us!

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

i was never a blairite he took the third way down the wrong avenue. he helped bring mandelson the traitor into the fold, but he did promise a better standard of living and delivered.

You never said a word about it at the time...it is only now that you bang on about it....and there are many of us who do remember the years before '97'.
Tony Blair was never a socialist....he made the Labour party more like the tories that you deride at every opportunity....he made them just a paler version of the real thing...and do you really think he had the needs of the electorate in this country at the heart of what he did? Of course he didn't...he was arrogance personified...all he wanted was a place in he history books and lots of money.....he succeeded in that aim all right.

You think Blair delivered do you......? Education, education education......yet any manager who interviewed young people will tell you that even some of those with useless degrees were not educated for a place in a working environment.

Tough on crime...tough on the causes of crime....that was a real laugh.
Criminals never had it so good......I'd like to know where you get your rose coloured glasses from...just so that I could get myself a pair