The Tories

[DtheP47]

This proposed extension to doctors hours is getting me.
They will be working longer hours, who is going to pay for the support workers, receptionists, nurses and maintenance staff? What about the disruption to their lives not to mention the cost of child care?
Now I am no medical expert but as I understand it, blood samples taken for certain things can't be just stored overnight in a fridge because it skews the cholestrol measure so that will mean another daytime trip to see someone.
Another Cameroonian sound bite that's not been thought through.

[Neil]

Where will they find the extra Doctors?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

This proposed extension to doctors hours is getting me.
They will be working longer hours, who is going to pay for the support workers, receptionists, nurses and maintenance staff? What about the disruption to their lives not to mention the cost of child care?
Now I am no medical expert but as I understand it, blood samples taken for certain things can't be just stored overnight in a fridge because it skews the cholestrol measure so that will mean another daytime trip to see someone.
Another Cameroonian sound bite that's not been thought through.

They will have to do what they do in hospitals and work out Rota systems to ensure cover.
Pals is a big complex, but you can never get an appointment, and there never ever seem to be more than three doctors on at any time.....lots of the doctors work is deferred to Nurse clinicians as well......one of the senior partners lectures at Salford Uni...fine, if that is what he really wants to do, but while he is doing that who is looking after his patients?

The staff need to be effectively managed......and the best uses of resources made.(and in my opinion, that isn't happening right now)

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

This proposed extension to doctors hours is getting me.
They will be working longer hours, who is going to pay for the support workers, receptionists, nurses and maintenance staff? What about the disruption to their lives not to mention the cost of child care?
Now I am no medical expert but as I understand it, blood samples taken for certain things can't be just stored overnight in a fridge because it skews the cholestrol measure so that will mean another daytime trip to see someone.
Another Cameroonian sound bite that's not been thought through.

Presumably the doctors will also want a salary increase if they do this?
It's only a few years since the Labour Government gave them a 30% rise at the same time as they agreed to let them stop evening and weekend cover.
Result- out of hours you drive miles to see a doctor who doesn't have your info and doesn't really care or you wait 4 hours in A&E.
Hard life being a GP- when will they have time to spend all that money?

[cmonstanley]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

You never said a word about it at the time...it is only now that you bang on about it....and there are many of us who do remember the years before '97'.
Tony Blair was never a socialist....he made the Labour party more like the tories that you deride at every opportunity....he made them just a paler version of the real thing...and do you really think he had the needs of the electorate in this country at the heart of what he did? Of course he didn't...he was arrogance personified...all he wanted was a place in he history books and lots of money.....he succeeded in that aim all right.

You think Blair delivered do you......? Education, education education......yet any manager who interviewed young people will tell you that even some of those with useless degrees were not educated for a place in a working environment.

Tough on crime...tough on the causes of crime....that was a real laugh.
Criminals never had it so good......I'd like to know where you get your rose coloured glasses from...just so that I could get myself a pair

so working for £2.50 an hour is fair. your denying the standard of living went up . so how come we never had a million and half under 25s on the rock and roll like we do now. there was more police on the beat at any other time. burglaries went down that's a fact violent crime went down that's a fact the proceeds of crime bill was passed the police equipment was modernised small business thrived and then credit crunch came. there was 3 million unemployed when labour came to power when labour left there was the biggest worldwide recession and there was still less unemployed when labour entered power. people were brought into the fold with sure start schemes the disabled weren't stigmatised the list goes on.

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

so working for £2.50 an hour is fair. your denying the standard of living went up . so how come we never had a million and half under 25s on the rock and roll like we do now. there was more police on the beat at any other time. burglaries went down that's a fact violent crime went down that's a fact the proceeds of crime bill was passed the police equipment was modernised small business thrived and then credit crunch came. there was 3 million unemployed when labour came to power when labour left there was the biggest worldwide recession and there was still less unemployed when labour entered power. people were brought into the fold with sure start schemes the disabled weren't stigmatised the list goes on.

Please do not put words in my mouth. Where have I said that working for £2.50 an hour is fair?(if you can find any post of mine that say this I will show my bare bum in front of the town hall on a Saturday afternoon and sell tickets)
As for the numbers of people on the dole..it was well known that the last government would do anything to manipulate the figures...and as for crime....the figures went down because the way that crimes were recorded changed....this made it look like crime was down..when in fact it wasn't.
Who presided over the banking fiasco? Who sold the gold reserves at rock bottom prices? Who said no more boom and bust?

You can say anything you like now.....but the time you should have said it were when your favourite blue eyed boys were in power.

I will say it until you get the message...they are all in it for themselves...and not for us...They really couldn't give a flying fig for our predicament...and that goes for ALL the political parties.

[cashman]

Margaret he will "Never" get the message, as me grandad used to say "Yeh can't put sense where there is none"

[cmonstanley]

the national minimum wage was delivered and a higher standard of living for normal people was delivered

[cashman]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

the national minimum wage was delivered and a higher standard of living for normal people was delivered

Funny how i never noticed me standard of living was higher, i musta sodded off to Spain fer nothing. Yeh really are blinkered yeh clown.

[Margaret Pilkington]

and my standard of living didn't improve either...especially when GB doubled my tax bill.

You are right Cashy, but at least this member is now saying things about his precious Liebour(not a spelling mistake) government that he never mentioned when they were in power.
And he still hasn't told me where to get those rose coloured specs!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

and my standard of living didn't improve either...especially when GB doubled my tax bill.

You are right Cashy, but at least this member is now saying things about his precious Liebour(not a spelling mistake) government that he never mentioned when they were in power.
And he still hasn't told me where to get those rose coloured specs!

I moved to Spain Margaret, fer no reason but to earn a living wage. I was told in the Job Centre at Blackpool, That cos i was oer 50,i would only be able to earn minimum wage. I tried it ( after earning decent money all me life) was not good, That was reason i beggered off Plain @ Simple. Cmon is either very deluded or tells lies fer fun.

[Margaret Pilkington]

because I always like to believe the best in people(even him), I think he is probably deluded...or in denial.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Presumably the doctors will also want a salary increase if they do this?
It's only a few years since the Labour Government gave them a 30% rise at the same time as they agreed to let them stop evening and weekend cover.
Result- out of hours you drive miles to see a doctor who doesn't have your info and doesn't really care or you wait 4 hours in A&E.
Hard life being a GP- when will they have time to spend all that money?

Talking to Dr Doug in the Forts on Thursday Gordon, he says some Docs will shift their hours starting say at 11 instead of 8, if it comes to pass.
Cameron wants the opening hours of surgeries to be increased not necessarily Doctors to work longer hours.
AS per my previous post, net effect...more staff all round,,who's gonna pay?

[Margaret Pilkington]

If it shifts the work from the A&E depts then it has got to be the thing to do...it isn't about working harder, it is about working smarter.
Personally I would put all the doctors on notice...renegotiate their contracts so that they had to find a way to overcome the problems that they have created for A&E depts. You just cannot get an appointment with a GP when you are ill.
I have even been told by a GP...'if this doesn't clear up - take yourself off to A&E'...this is not appropriate or good advice.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

Funny how i never noticed me standard of living was higher, i musta sodded off to Spain fer nothing. Yeh really are blinkered yeh clown.

Cashy he's not even blinkered he's just a plain old thick jock